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Cory Joseph is a Toronto native, probably part of the reason we have gone after him, I know Masai is serious about making us more of a Canadian team.

The money seems too high, and it leaves us in a predicament regarding our PF spot. That said, Joseph is coming from a winning culture and has looked good for San Antonio over the past year, he really has learnt a lot from Tony Parker and Manu, as can be seen in this highlight montage;


He can shoot, defend, play the PnR and he seems to go after the drive relentlessly. That's something we lacked last year. I'm really excited to see him land in Toronto and hope he can continue his upward trend. He's only 23 and he's improved considerably every year.

This signing will keep Lowry honest.
 

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I like the Biyombo signing, for what it's worth. He's a wreck on offense - doesn't catch the ball well enough to really be an effective dive man on the pick and roll - but he protects the rim and rebounds with the best of 'em. Even if he's really in his mid-twenties, as is rumored, he's a solid signing as a backup at $3 million per.
 

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The Raptors clearly came into free agency intent on improving their overall team defense... and succeeded with flying colors. They basically turned Amir, Vasquez, and Lou Williams into Biyombo, Carroll, and Joseph. That's a defensive improvement at each of those spots.
 

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The Raptors clearly came into free agency intent on improving their overall team defense... and succeeded with flying colors. They basically turned Amir, Vasquez, and Lou Williams into Biyombo, Carroll, and Joseph. That's a defensive improvement at each of those spots.
For the record, Biyombo's a better post defender and rim protector, but Amir is probably more mobile laterally when guarding out on the perimeter. I'd say that Biyombo's a defensive upgrade at center, but doesn't have the versatility to play the 4.
 

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So interesting article in CoJo ... (So much like CuJo) but anyways .... Apparently Ujiri's interest in LA was a pretty big feint and distraction so he could get his real targets... Not the first time I've heard of this ...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/josephs-homecoming-more-than-just-a-good-story/



"His calling card for the moment is the 14 games he started this season for San Antonio when Tony Parker was injured. Joseph shot 56.2 per cent from the floor including 44 per cent from the three-point line while averaging 13.5 points and 4.5 rebounds a game in 36 minutes of playing time.

Was that a blip or a suggestion that there is more where that came from? If it’s the latter – and Joseph’s stints running the point for the Canadian national team suggest it is – the Raptors will have one of the best point guard tandems in the Eastern Conference.

The Raptors had targeted Joseph all along. This summer when it was rumoured that Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge was going to jump to the Spurs in free agency the Raptors saw that outcome as the best possible consolation prize if their own pursuit of Aldridge was unsuccessful.

It was believed that signing Aldridge would force San Antonio to relinquish their rights to Joseph to create space under the NBA’s salary cap, and sure enough that’s what happened.

The Spurs and Aldridge reached an agreement on Friday and the Spurs renounced Joseph Sunday afternoon. By Sunday night the deal with Toronto was done."
 

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For the record, I do believe that Joseph has developed into a pretty legit two-way player, and will have a solid tenure here backing up Lowry and probably finishing a lot of games alongside him, but this still seems to be a massive overpay for what he has actually shown on the court. I'll hope for the best, but I'm wary for sure.
 

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^^ Yup!! I think we're all on the same page there!! Despite whatever cap changes come along next year. I would have preferred we just kept and played DeColo. Who we've secured the rights to just last week!! So now what are going to do with him. I'm sensing a sign a trade along with Ross maybe??
 

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I'm more mad about not having money to fix the other glaring holes on the roster. If we wanted to sign Cory Joseph then we should've drafted Bobby Portis or Hollis Jefferson. I think the drafting of Wright was more drafting for need then drafting BPA. If we wanted to spend 7 mil on a backup point guard then theres no reason for us to draft a guy that's destined to be a career backup.
 

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I'm more mad about not having money to fix the other glaring holes on the roster. If we wanted to sign Cory Joseph then we should've drafted Bobby Portis or Hollis Jefferson. I think the drafting of Wright was more drafting for need then drafting BPA. If we wanted to spend 7 mil on a backup point guard then theres no reason for us to draft a guy that's destined to be a career backup.
This makes no sense.

We've lost Lou and Vasquez this summer. Both of whom played 25mpg for us last year.

So what does that mean? It means we have 50 minutes of combined on court action for two guards. Guess what we acquired, Cory Joseph and Delon Wright, two guards.

These two new guards are also 23 and 22 respectively, and both locked up for four years. Kyle Lowry is 29 and while he is currently a starter and leader, he now becomes expendable if he's out played by the in-house competition.

If Delon Wright becomes a serviceable backup PG during his tenure in Toronto, then he was an excellent 20th pick in my opinion.

Bobby Portis is a piece of shit. Why do we need a piece of shit that can't defend on our roster?
 

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This makes no sense.

We've lost Lou and Vasquez this summer. Both of whom played 25mpg for us last year.

So what does that mean? It means we have 50 minutes of combined on court action for two guards. Guess what we acquired, Cory Joseph and Delon Wright, two guards.

These two new guards are also 23 and 22 respectively, and both locked up for four years. Kyle Lowry is 29 and while he is currently a starter and leader, he now becomes expendable if he's out played by the in-house competition.

If Delon Wright becomes a serviceable backup PG during his tenure in Toronto, then he was an excellent 20th pick in my opinion.

Bobby Portis is a piece of shit. Why do we need a piece of shit that can't defend on our roster?
Ross was destined to be a bench player after last year's performance. When you consider that we still have James Johnson at the 3 we are really missing 1 backup point guard. If you want a backup scoring guard to fill the void that was left by Lou's departure, neither Cory Joseph nor Delon Wright would fill that.

I'm not that upset about the Wright pick since let's face it, any player drafted in the late teens to the end of the 1st rd chances are he wouldn't be in the league in 3 years. We have a glaring hole at the power forward spot and we have no money left to fill it. We could've spent that money on a guy like Brandon Wright, David West, or even our old friend Ed Davis. I don't know if Masai tried to get those guys and failed and then ended up spending it on Cory Joseph but the fact is our roster as it is now will encounter serious problems next year on offense and on the boards.
 

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We could've spent that money on a guy like Brandon Wright, David West, or even our old friend Ed Davis. I don't know if Masai tried to get those guys and failed and then ended up spending it on Cory Joseph but the fact is our roster as it is now will encounter serious problems next year on offense and on the boards.
I completely understand this frustration, but Masai can see this hole in the roster too. As I've stated, our defense was a huge issue last year, we've brought in talent to change that.

We also have a lot of flexibility to make a move and upgrade at PF (Ross, Johnson, Bebe, Clippers 1st, Toronto 1st etc) should all be readily available to make that happen. I've heard rumours surrounding Faried, Taj Gibson and Terrence Jones, so let's sit tight and see where we end up before the season starts.

David West was not an option for us, he wanted the Spurs. Ed Davis and Brandon Wright aren't upgrades over Patterson either, so why spend the cash on them?

Don't forget we also own the lower of the NY / DEN picks. They selected 2nd and 7th respectively this past draft. Adding a potential Top 10 talent in the next draft could be huge for this franchise.

We're in great shape in my opinion.
 

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I completely understand this frustration, but Masai can see this whole in the roster too. As I've stated, our defense was a huge issue last year, we've brought in talent to change that.

We also have a lot of flexibility to make a move and upgrade at PF (Ross, Johnson, Bebe, Clippers 1st, Toronto 1st etc) should all be readily available to make that happen. I've heard rumours surrounding Faried, Taj Gibson and Terrence Jones, so let's sit tight and see where we end up before the season starts.

David West was not an option for us, he wanted the Spurs. Ed Davis and Brandon Wright aren't upgrades over Patterson either, so why spend the cash on them?

Don't forget we also own the lower of the NY / DEN picks. They selected 2nd and 7th respectively this past draft. Adding a potential Top 10 talent in the next draft could be huge for this franchise.

We're in great shape in my opinion.
If Masai can acquire either Faried, Gibson, or Jones then our situation would improve but as it stands right now our front court rotation consists of JV, Patterson, Biyombo, and Bebe.
 

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If Masai can acquire either Faried, Gibson, or Jones then our situation would improve but as it stands right now our front court rotation consists of JV, Patterson, Biyombo, and Bebe.
And last year it was JV, Patterson, Amir and Chuck Hayes/Pyscho T.

To me, we've hardly downgraded while improving both our guard and wing rotation.

Those PFs mentioned are rumoured to be available, so let's see what Masai can do.
 

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It looks like we're going to add Carlos Boozer on the cheap as well. He's killed us over the years. Obviously past his best, but as an option off the bench, I'll welcome his offensive prowess, especially if he's playing next to Biyombo.
 

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And last year it was JV, Patterson, Amir and Chuck Hayes/Pyscho T.

To me, we've hardly downgraded while improving both our guard and wing rotation.
That's hardly saying much considering the power forward spot was one of our main weaknesses both on offense and defense. No interior scoring meant we got no easy baskets because everything came from either Lowry, Demar, or Lou's isolations. With Amir at least we had someone that can play the pick and roll but now we don't even have that available. Patterson is a good player but if he's your starting power forward I honestly doubt the team will go anywhere. He's like the Thaddeus Young of power forwards. A starter on a bad team but a decent rotation player when you're winning.
 

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JYD V.2!

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There was this one shooting drill we had in practice, and Kyle would just dominate everybody. It took me a while to even build up the courage to challenge him. I practiced for a couple of weeks and was hitting most of my shots, so I called Kyle over and said I was ready to take the throne. I told him I’m the Black Kyle Korver.

We each took turns putting up five threes, and when I made four out of five, he’d make five out of five. If I hit three out of five, he’d make four out of five. No matter how many times we played, Kyle always found a way to beat me by one if I missed a shot.

He told me to try again next year when I was ready. Well, I’m telling him now that Black Kyle Korver will get his revenge. It’s on.
God bless all of you. I’m really proud of what we accomplished together.

Best,

DeMarre

P.S. Toronto, I know you guys loved Jerome Williams back in the day. Well, get ready for JYD 2.0 to come to your city! I’m ready!
 

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A couple things.

First, I do think we have a roster that is viable enough to win 45-50 games as currently constructed (more likely towards that lower limit, though), and that, barring some trade, any FA big would not make any meaningful impact on this projection. I also believe that despite my preference for an old school, "bully ball" style of play, the lineup of Lowry, Joseph, DeRozan, Carroll, and Patterson/Biyombo/JV is actually good enough to win some games in today's NBA particularly in the East, though I'm skeptical that there is enough talent there to take even one round in the playoffs.

That said, our big man rotation is straight trash (prepare for a hot take). We know what we get from the incumbent Patterson. I believe Biyombo, however, is a massive downgrade from Amir. He is an adequate weak side help defender that quite frankly has not shown much thus far in his career. Sure his contract went for a nice number, but it's a nice number because he hasn't looked very good thus far. Then there's Jonas. He really needs to take a leap this season. I'll say he is huge and by virtue of his size he is a presence on both ends, and he does seem to play with some fire. But he's very mechanical and disappears far too often. I get that he's young, but that doesn't suddenly mean that we should disregard how weak our frontcourt appears.

This said, among the names mentioned, I think Taj Gibson, Brandon Wright and even Faried could immediately legitimize our front court, particularly if we could hold on to James Johnson who could be a presence on the glass as well. But until a meaningful player joins the fold, we should expect to get crushed on the glass consistently.
 

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A couple things.

First, I do think we have a roster that is viable enough to win 45-50 games as currently constructed (more likely towards that lower limit, though), and that, barring some trade, any FA big would not make any meaningful impact on this projection. I also believe that despite my preference for an old school, "bully ball" style of play, the lineup of Lowry, Joseph, DeRozan, Carroll, and Patterson/Biyombo/JV is actually good enough to win some games in today's NBA particularly in the East, though I'm skeptical that there is enough talent there to take even one round in the playoffs.

That said, our big man rotation is straight trash (prepare for a hot take). We know what we get from the incumbent Patterson. I believe Biyombo, however, is a massive downgrade from Amir. He is an adequate weak side help defender that quite frankly has not shown much thus far in his career. Sure his contract went for a nice number, but it's a nice number because he hasn't looked very good thus far. Then there's Jonas. He really needs to take a leap this season. I'll say he is huge and by virtue of his size he is a presence on both ends, and he does seem to play with some fire. But he's very mechanical and disappears far too often. I get that he's young, but that doesn't suddenly mean that we should disregard how weak our frontcourt appears.

This said, among the names mentioned, I think Taj Gibson, Brandon Wright and even Faried could immediately legitimize our front court, particularly if we could hold on to James Johnson who could be a presence on the glass as well. But until a meaningful player joins the fold, we should expect to get crushed on the glass consistently.
On the grand scheme of things I would prefer the Raptors break up the current core and start over when the new cap hits. I'm scared of giving DeMar the max and have Chris Bosh as franchise player v.2 where we exit every year after the first round. I've given Demar a chance but the guy has failed two playoff series. With how the league has grown into a 3 pt league I simply don't know how successful a wing player can be without a 3pt.

If we're not breaking things up just yet then we need to move in the other direction which is to improve the team. I think Carroll will solve one of our major problems which is mainly Ross's shitty play. But our other weakness which is power forward got even worse with Amir's departure. If we can bring in a Markieff Morris or Gibson it would make things a lot better but as it stands now I feel like our team has gotten worse this off season.

@Porn Player

If we can get Carlos Boozer for the vet minimum I'm not against bringing him in. But as far as solving our front court problems Boozer really doesn't improve it by that much.
 

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Here's the thing, though I disagree that we should break up the band and bottom out (I actually hate this strategy), I am inclined to agree with your assessment of the team. Though I will admit that I was wrong about how good DeMar would ever be, he still has legitimate defensive shortcomings and his inability to shoot, and beat high level defenders off the bounce consistently leads me to believe that the ceiling of any team where he is their best player will always be severely limited. That said, Bosh is an exponentially better player and prospect than DeRozan ever was, and I don't think that there is a really meaningful comparison here. Bosh lacked help. There is a solid supporting cast here, but DeRozan appears to be capable of being little more than a member of that cast. He's just not that dude and given how long he's been in the league, I suspect he never will be.

This brings us to Jonas. If we think that he can be that dude, he has to start showing it fast. Franchise players don't become franchise players out of nowhere, and the longer he looks like a such a stiff, lumbering guy, the less likely it seems he will ever be a legitimate number one option. Again, he can be a very nice player. But it seems like there will always be limits to teams where he is the best or second best player.
 
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