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Sign and trade with Seattle:


Chicago recieves: Resigned to the max Rashard Lewis



Seattle recieves: Marcus Fizer, Trenton Hassel, Jamal Crawford,

Eddie Robinson
 

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how about E-Rob and a resigned Travis Best?
WHAT?!?!?!?!

The Sonics have Mason,they DONT need E-Rob who is way OVER PAID,and ALWAYS injured!Also u would have to sign Best to a $40 or 50 mill deal for that to work!Why would the Sonics take on a huge contract like that,when they already have Payton?!

Best will be in a Heat uni next season!
 

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if you are not a bulls fan please post traded in trade forum. We discuss trades here yes, but it is among us. Trades offered by other fans should be on another forum. I am sure you will get some response there. TY
 

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Originally posted by Malakian
Sign and trade with Seattle:


Chicago recieves: Resigned to the max Rashard Lewis



Seattle recieves: Marcus Fizer, Trenton Hassel, Jamal Crawford,

Eddie Robinson
my mistake. Malakian IM me and said the Bulls was his second favorite team. Normally when fans of other teams come in here with trade talks, i direct them to the trade forum. But he is a fan. So i will unlock the thread.
 

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Thanks man! So back to it, What would yall think about this?

With a lineup of:
PG:Jay Williams
SG:Jalen Rose
SF:Rashard Lewis
PF:Tyson Chandler
C:Eddy Curry


If they can pull it together, down the line, I do not see a team in the East(if not the league) that could beat them. With Shaq retiring when Phil does, Eddy should be developed by then and should be the best center in the league by then.
 

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I don't think that is a good trade for us...yet.. Jamal Crawford had a nice 6 or 7 games towards the end of the season, but can he do that on a consistent basis?

Eddie Robinson is over-paid and has nothing to offer us but athletisism which we can find much cheaper elsewhere.

I don't know much about Trenton Hassell except that he was a pretty miniscule blip on the NBA radar, and I feel that when you're going to go after someone with the youth and quality of Rashard Lewis (playoff flop aside) you're going to have to come a bit better than that. Jalen Rose would at least have to be involved, or unprotected 1st round picks.

Perhaps a combination of Jalen Rose, Marcus Fizer, and Trenton Hassel would be more fair for both teams, no?
 

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You are joking right? Jalen Rose is worth more than Lewis straight up.
 

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Sonic Force is the exact reason why I don't think we should be making any trades. His view, that Crawford, Hassell and Robinson aren't nearly enough, seems to be what many in the NBA think. Bottom line is that we shouldn't overpay for anyone.

We should let Fizer, Crawford, Robinson and Hasselll show their worth. It's not like we are one player away yet. We still need some major development by all of our young guys. Let's see the development and then figure out what and who we need.
 

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Originally posted by Sonic Force
I don't think that is a good trade for us...yet.. Jamal Crawford had a nice 6 or 7 games towards the end of the season, but can he do that on a consistent basis?

Eddie Robinson is over-paid and has nothing to offer us but athletisism which we can find much cheaper elsewhere.

I don't know much about Trenton Hassell except that he was a pretty miniscule blip on the NBA radar, and I feel that when you're going to go after someone with the youth and quality of Rashard Lewis (playoff flop aside) you're going to have to come a bit better than that. Jalen Rose would at least have to be involved, or unprotected 1st round picks.

Perhaps a combination of Jalen Rose, Marcus Fizer, and Trenton Hassel would be more fair for both teams, no?
No. Read BCH post and you will see how i feel about it
 

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Lewis is vewry good player IMHO, but he is not worth the MAX(HIS OWN TEAM DOESN'T THINKS SO EITHER!!!) Also, sya we do make the trade and get him, his MAX deal along with Rose's contract would leave us with no cap flexiblity and Lewis has not played well enough to deserve a max deal. And we would be giving up waaaaaaaay to much for him :sour: . So, let Seattle keep him.
 

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That's what I hate about some fans, they think they should get a all this talent for one player. A player that really hasn't proven himself yet. Rashard will probably be a great player but he might never have what Jalen Rose has and that's experience in Game 7's and the Finals. That right there is worth alot in this league. Plus, you add that Rose is a very good player and leader, you would have to offer more than Lewis to get Rose.

Excuse me but did he say that Trenton Hassell was a miniscule blip on the NBA radar? I guess he doesn't realize Hassell was the steal of the 01' NBA Draft, he was rookie of the month I believe in Feb., and was a good defender. He might not become a star but I want you to remember the names of Dennis Rodman, Mark Price, Toni Kukoc, and Nick Van Exel. All players drafted in the 2nd round that turned out to be star players!

I agree with chifaninca, we need to let the team grow together and play together before thinking of trades.
 

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It is almost time to get off Hassel's jock. He is a decent SG but he is nothing more than a cog. He does not have the size lock down SF's or the quickness to lockdown PG's. He doesn't even lockdown opposing SG's but rather plays solid defense. What is his future really going to be like? A situational defense SG? He has a decent stroke but didn't prove himself to be deadly from the NBA 3, especially with his strong suit coming in being shooting.

I hate to say it but a situational defensive SG is not going to cut it when athletic, scoring SGs are fairly easy to obtain.

Hassel will need to develop more in shooting the NBA 3 and possibly some ability to handle the ball as well. If he survives in the league then he will be a great player to have on your team. I don't personally seeing him add too much to a developing squad like the Bulls have. His contributions are probably better suited to a contending team.

Just a note. I like Hassel. I wouldn't mind having him on my team. He just has to be the most replaceable guy on the squad and that means he probably has very little value.
 

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Originally posted by BCH
It is almost time to get off Hassel's jock. He is a decent SG but he is nothing more than a cog. He does not have the size lock down SF's or the quickness to lockdown PG's. He doesn't even lockdown opposing SG's but rather plays solid defense. What is his future really going to be like? A situational defense SG? He has a decent stroke but didn't prove himself to be deadly from the NBA 3, especially with his strong suit coming in being shooting.

I hate to say it but a situational defensive SG is not going to cut it when athletic, scoring SGs are fairly easy to obtain.

Hassel will need to develop more in shooting the NBA 3 and possibly some ability to handle the ball as well. If he survives in the league then he will be a great player to have on your team. I don't personally seeing him add too much to a developing squad like the Bulls have. His contributions are probably better suited to a contending team.

Just a note. I like Hassel. I wouldn't mind having him on my team. He just has to be the most replaceable guy on the squad and that means he probably has very little value.
IMO, Hassell reminds me of Rick Fox, Bruce Bowen, and Doug Christie - all guys who start for possibly the three best teams in the league. Looking ahead to the future when JWill, Curry, Chandler, and Rose are our primary scoring options, Hassell fits in nicely as a defensive role player - just like Christie, Bowen, and Fox. And I think that there is a very good chance that Hassell develops into a better offensive player than any of those three. Re-read Showtyme's "Editorial Post" to remind yourself why Hassell has more value to the Bulls than Robinson or Fizer. He possibly has more value than Crawford, as well.
 

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Hassell vs EROB

Originally posted by BCH
It is almost time to get off Hassel's jock. He is a decent SG but he is nothing more than a cog. He does not have the size lock down SF's or the quickness to lockdown PG's. He doesn't even lockdown opposing SG's but rather plays solid defense. What is his future really going to be like? A situational defense SG? He has a decent stroke but didn't prove himself to be deadly from the NBA 3, especially with his strong suit coming in being shooting.

I hate to say it but a situational defensive SG is not going to cut it when athletic, scoring SGs are fairly easy to obtain.

Hassel will need to develop more in shooting the NBA 3 and possibly some ability to handle the ball as well. If he survives in the league then he will be a great player to have on your team. I don't personally seeing him add too much to a developing squad like the Bulls have. His contributions are probably better suited to a contending team.

Just a note. I like Hassel. I wouldn't mind having him on my team. He just has to be the most replaceable guy on the squad and that means he probably has very little value.
IF it were not for the huge salary EROB got, HE would be the least needed "Cog" and by far the easiest to replace on the Bulls squad. This guy did not show me squat other than how he can sit his sorry azz on the I/R more than any other Bulls player has in some time. hassell has played his azz off and like others have stated, was a steal in the 01 draft! LET this guy mature like crawford, curry and chandler. Give em some time. Chandler and Curry, to a greater extent have not proven themselves to be super stars yet either. Potentially yes, proven, no way. Do not take this post wrong, I LIKE this squad. What i do not care for is the statements that players like hassell are nothing more than "cogs" was it? This team has what appears to be only an "upside" but it will take time for them to learn to play together, the starting unit, and the second. IF a deal must be made, the fizer and best for Mike Miller and filler was probably the most intriguing....lastly, IF Hassell has the least trade value, why in blue blazes would you trade this guy, and certainly NOT get worth for him?? You cannot and would not get equal value in return because other teams will not see him being anything more than a "filler" in a trade. I tell ya, this guy IS gonna be the steal of THAT particular draft. No, you do not trade this guy, you develop him.

PG - Jay Williams/Crawford/Guyton
SG - Jamal Crawford/Hassell/Mason
SF - Jalen Rose/M. Miller/EROBdaToeThrob
PF - Tyson Chandler/S. Williams/Baxter
C - Eddie Curry/Scott Williams/Bags

GO BULLS!!!
 

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I said he has more value to a contending team than the Bulls. In that sense he is more valuable to someone else than the Bulls. He is a solid contributor and reminds me of a Najera in what he could contribute to a team.

I just don't see him being that useful on the Bulls, especially playing starter minutes. And becuase no one on the squad has proven anything, a depth player like Hassel is a luxury.

I never said trade the guy. I don't think the Bulls get much for Fizer/Hassel/ERob though. Crawford is a different matter because teams want him as a PG. Of course after 1 season playing SG to JWill's PG will degrade his value as well. Right now it is the enticement that he is a tall PG that makes him intriguing. That however is a different subject that deserves it's own thread.
 

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I apologize for my ignorance of Trenton Hassell and his game. I'm sure he's a talented player, the Chicago roster is filled with alot of young talent. However IMO when you're dealing with a Rashard Lewis, a player that at only age 22, is putting up nearly 17 points a game at a 46% clip and shooting 38% from behind the arc, playoff faults aside, you can't expect to simply trade even value for where he is at in his game right now. I mean for someone as young as that, its quite impressive. Jalen Rose as nice a player as he is right now, will be 30 when the season starts. I'm think you Have to take that into account when dealing with trades such as these.

Take for example, your two budding stars, Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry. How long do you think they will take before they reach their full potential. I'd say 3 to 4 years, but for the sake of argument lets say they both become stars two years from now.

By that time Jalen Rose will be 32 and on the immediate downside of his career while Rashard Lewis will be what, 24 wantin some more? As a Sonics Fan, I would not do Rashard Lewis for Jalen Rose straight up simply for the point I made above, however if you add young talent like Marcus Fizer and Trenton Hassell to the work (Young but unproven talent) You have something that benefits both teams in the long-run.

We as fans of our respective teams sometimes tend to overrate our own players simply because we see more of their potential, then as to where they are at right now in their game. I know I have done that plenty of times with Radmanovic and Lewis, and I'm sensing a little bit of that in these trade talks (which will of course probably never happen).

But oh well, its for the fun and for the discussion anyway, so feel free to counter-point anything I have layed out. Its always enjoyable discussing a team with their fans.
 

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Age 32 isn't the downside of your career buddy. Krause isn't trading Rose for lewis......
 

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In my opinion you have to go after a guy like Rashard Lewis if he's available. Someone that young and that good is something that you cant pass up. I think any team that doesnt have a young superstar at his position would be crazy to at least not make an attempt. I remember when Lewis got drafted he fell all the way to the second round and he was nearly in tears and he said "I just have to prove myself and show what I can do" he's doing it and hes only gonna get better because he is the type of guy that is going to work extremely hard on his game
 

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Fizer- Doesnt really fit on this team. Don't have room for him but he can score.

Eddie Robinson- Has some upside but is payed too much. Seattle has talked openly about doing a sign and trade deal and giving Shard a max contract. E-Rob helps match up salaries.

Jamal Crawford- Has more value right now than he will at another time. Other teams are looking at him as a big point guard which is hard to find. The best time to deal him is now.

Trenton Hassel- You all have already said everything that needs to be said about him. He is the icing on the deal.


Seattle is looking to rebuild and this really really helps.

Chicago has enough young unproven talent. They need a guy who can score and rebound RIGHT NOW and who is still developing and will be something special.

PG:Jay Williams/Roger Mason Jr.
SG:Jalen Rose/Hoiberg
SF:Rashard Lewis/Jalen Rose
PF:Tyson Chandler/Lonny Baxter
C:Eddy Curry/Scott Williams



Seattle:
PG:Gary Payton/Jamal Crawford
SG:Brent Barry/Trenton Hassel
SF:Eddie Robinson/Rodmanovich
PF:Vin Baker/Marcus Fizer
C:peja Drobnak


Looks good for both teams!
 
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