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I was recently admiring how Tyson has managed to average 3.75 PPG, 7.5 RPG and 4 personal fouls over his last four games (yes, when we needed everyone on this team to step up the most, dude is averaging more personal fouls than points). Then it hit me. I started to count and I couldn't even believe what I was seeing. With 15 games left in the season:

Tyson Chandler has had 29 games where he's had at least as many fouls as points! TWENTY NINE! That is bleeping ridiculous. And it's not just one bad month. Every month is littered with games like this, including FIVE this month, after Tyson's 12 consecutive good games led to him being forgiven for missing half a season.
 
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Oddly enough, I was doing some research and determined that "the other guy" has never in his NBA career had more assists than fouls.

And he's ugly.

And his mother sews socks that smell.

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Pippenatorade said:
Who said the Cu word? Someone eluded to him and then you said the dreaded word man.

Hey Tyson sucks. Independent of you-know-who I am going to harp on him sucking to the point of nausea until nobody can act like they "don't see" his sucking and continue to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Don't you understand that "harping on [insert agenda here] to the point of nausea" is exactly what we need to get away from?

I mean, I don't want to read anybody's take on ANYTHING to the point of nausea. Nausea is not an enjoyable experience. I want to check out the board and have an enjoyable experience.
 

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TomBoerwinkle#1 said:
Don't you understand that "harping on [insert agenda here] to the point of nausea" is exactly what we need to get away from?

I mean, I don't want to read anybody's take on ANYTHING to the point of nausea. Nausea is not an enjoyable experience. I want to check out the board and have an enjoyable experience.
Shouldn't have this been directed at Spud instead of Pip?
 
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Spud said:
Oddly enough, I was doing some research and determined that "the other guy" has never in his NBA career had more assists than fouls.

And he's ugly.

And his mother sews socks that smell.

[reference -- anyone? anyone?]
Richard Pryor from SNL right? :rofl:
 

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LOL assists from the center position... the polar opposite position of the one that is supposed to rack them up. Kinda like rushing yards from the WR position. Last I checked, the team with the most points wins the game. I know a lot of people like to pretend that PPG isn't a stat, but PPG from a main offensive option (even a top 2, maybe top 3 offensive option on a team) is more important than RPG and APG combined.

But hey, you're attacking one guy at the expense of a "rebounding specialist" that gets paid 63 million to average an awe-inspiring 9.1 RPG.
Oddly enough, our PPG and offensive efficiency has increased over the past three seasons.

That's with trading away our top PPG scorer the past two seasons and Chandler getting more fouls than points 29 times this year.

Point being, everyone has recognized how bad Chandler is on offense, so his role has been reduced to setting screens and crashing the offensive glass. Until he develops a consistent jumper or a post move, I'm fine with not force feeding him the ball to see if he can get his.

With all the negatives being said about Chandler, his passing has vastly improved.
 

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Hey Tyson sucks. Independent of you-know-who I am going to harp on him sucking to the point of nausea until nobody can act like they "don't see" his sucking and continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. One guy got crucified daily for being pretty good on a 47 win team BEFORE he got his payday. The other sucks, didn't show up for half a season, doesn't show up for big games, has had TWO verbal altercations during games with Scott Skiles, IS getting paid, on a mediocre team, and all these hypocrites who professed these grand beliefs like "no excuses" and "you have to play a certain way" and "you don't ask for 10 million dollars unless you show up EVERY night" are nowhere to be found. Now people just kinda act like his big stink bomb of a season isn't REALLY happening, because if they don't talk about it maybe it never really happened and they can brush it under the rug right? Right!?! Right!! LOL. NOW it's "oh you know Tyson gets to take the year off, poor guy, I know he'll pull it together next year."

who cares? honestly.

and if some of us want to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, what are you going to do? come over to our house and beat us up?

if you are not interested in anyone else's point of view, why should we give yours a second thought?
 

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Measuring Chandler's success as a player by his offensive numbers is pretty useless. He'll never be a good offensive player. Once the Bulls get a couple of decent to good offensive bigs, people will stop worrying about his offense and I think he'll score more like last season. What concerns me more is the decrease in his blocked shots and rebounds.
 

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Tyson Chandler has most certainly had a roller coaster season. It appeared as though he bounced back from his awful start admirably, but lately he's back in a funk.

I just hope he returns to his earlier quality play in time for this final stretch.

I'm still glad the Bulls re-signed Tyson. I think the way the season started for him, ugly and infuriating as it was, was an anomoly. If he goes in the crapper again next season, I'll start to be concerned.
 

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TomBoerwinkle#1 said:
Don't you understand that "harping on [insert agenda here] to the point of nausea" is exactly what we need to get away from?

I mean, I don't want to read anybody's take on ANYTHING to the point of nausea. Nausea is not an enjoyable experience. I want to check out the board and have an enjoyable experience.
OK TB I get it. I know man. But all I'm saying is I feel like 5 people are having the conversation and I want everyone else to join. Once we all talk about it as a group (LOL), and I've had my group therapy on the issue, I'll tone it down on Tyson sucking. That's a decent stance isn't it? Kinda like the movie "The Dream Team" LMAO.
 

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Oddly enough, our PPG and offensive efficiency has increased over the past three seasons.

That's with trading away our top PPG scorer the past two seasons and Chandler getting more fouls than points 29 times this year.

Point being, everyone has recognized how bad Chandler is on offense, so his role has been reduced to setting screens and crashing the offensive glass. Until he develops a consistent jumper or a post move, I'm fine with not force feeding him the ball to see if he can get his.

With all the negatives being said about Chandler, his passing has vastly improved.
It's at the expense of changing the tempo. Last year our PPG were down and our FG% was down from this year, but our PPG allowed was down too right? I mean last time we had that talk it was. That could have changed.

Last year we didn't score as much, but we had complete control of the tempo. We'd go to the halfcourt when we wanted to and we runned and gunned when we wanted too.

But all that aside, you're right, there are areas where Tyson has improved. Passing and he doesn't bobble EVERY pass that's thrown to him anymore. But far more areas he has stayed the same. Should it be acceptable that he is averaging a CAREER low in PPG and it isn't even close? Should we pay him to, as you said "crash the glass" and watch his rebounds go DOWN from last year? His blocked shots go DOWN .5 BPG? We're paying him and getting an almost grossly inferior product from what we got last year. And last I checked that was unacceptable and there are no excuses. Except for Tyson. That kinda irritates and confuses me and I just want someone reasonable who disagrees with me to kinda talk me through that rationale. I'm always open to having my mind changed. I'm just running out of the ability to be optomistic about this guy at all.
 

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Measuring Chandler's success as a player by his offensive numbers is pretty useless. He'll never be a good offensive player. Once the Bulls get a couple of decent to good offensive bigs, people will stop worrying about his offense and I think he'll score more like last season. What concerns me more is the decrease in his blocked shots and rebounds.
Exactly. I was simply just pointing to something that kinda shocked me. I mean half the games he'd get 3 fouls and not even surpass that. Look, if you really are crashing the boards with reckless abandon, you should get more than 3 points just off of tip-ins. But I agree. The really disburing thing is when on one hand people acknowledge that he'll "never be a good offensive player" and then on the other hand you see that he gets paid to be a "rebounding and defensive specialist" and his blocks and rebounds are DOWN from when he was coming off the BENCH on a rookie contract.

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who cares? honestly.
Me. I like Skiles approach. He is tough, but fair. He was tough on my favorite player, AND got the best out of him, but unlike Cartwrong you knew that Jalen was gonna get the SAME treatment as the young guys. He really is tough on everyone DURING games and in practice. And IMO if we professed all these grand beliefs when it came to one person, they should apply equally across the board. NOW, you don't want them to apply equally (should that be your stance)? Fine, but at least let's get that out there :biggrin:.

and if some of us want to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, what are you going to do? come over to our house and beat us up?
Nope. Simply have that acknowledgement and move on. As long as the score is known, even if it's an undercurrent kinda thing, it's cool. That way, like Mr. May's theory that I share, when the scapegoating of Ben gets turned up around this city (it's coming), we'll have Tyson's free pass as a reference point for the discussion.

But no. I have no interest in violence or confrontation. I believe the post you quoted was in response to post 4, an off-topic post about... my posting lol.

if you are not interested in anyone else's point of view, why should we give yours a second thought?
LOL I won't completely touch this. Let's just say I'm not unrealistic enough as to presuppose that even a high majority will give it a second thought. I get enough people giving it a second thought that if you choose to completely write it off, I'm good with that. And I am very interested in the points of views of others. I play a very strong stance most of the time, but my greatest satisfaction derived from this site is when someone DOES change my mind.
 

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Tyson Chandler has most certainly had a roller coaster season. It appeared as though he bounced back from his awful start admirably, but lately he's back in a funk.

I just hope he returns to his earlier quality play in time for this final stretch.

I'm still glad the Bulls re-signed Tyson. I think the way the season started for him, ugly and infuriating as it was, was an anomoly. If he goes in the crapper again next season, I'll start to be concerned.
Ok but let's forget his start to the season. What about the ESPN guys ragging on him for his disappearances in big games THIS past week? Tyson was a complete noshow for Milwaukee and Washington, perhaps our two biggest games of the year.

I appreciate your stance Ron, as I know from past experience that you can admit when you are flat wrong (so I know you're not just being stubborn on this one), but let me ask this. Is our appraisal of guys in Tyson's shoes influenced, perhaps even primarily, by how much we "like" them?
 
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