I can't claim to speak for others on the board, so I'm not sure that my reading of the situation applies to anybody but myself. I was just trying to put down in a post the way that I understand why Tyson, perhaps, hasn't gotten the guff that he should have coming to him this season.
I'm about to leave work, so I can't go into further depth, but I'll just say that you're right on about how Kirk especially has persevered and Tyson hasn't. It's probably because Tyson sat on his rear all summer mostly, but who knows. It is very disappointing. To be honest, if I had to place the lion's share of blame on any one person for why we're not making the playoffs, it'd be Tyson, then Pax for not fortifying the frontcourt post-trade.
OK, I've sat in the cube LONG ENOUGH! :cheers:
I'd put more on Pax simply because Tyson wasn't SUPPOSED to be that good, in my opinion. I remember when Pax was saying stuff like "Oh, it would be terrific if we could get 15 ppg from Tyson... we'd really like him to step up offensively". TOTALLY unsubstantiated.
To be fair, I actually think Chandler has okay, if awkward, form on his jumper. But it sadly looks sort of like Shaq shooting from the free throw line... Shaq has also developed his own okay but awkward free throw style. But Chandler keeps his elbow tucked, has the 90 degree angle that is a tougher but more consistent release, and follows through. He just shouldn't be taking those shots at all, though.
I think Pax's comments at the beginning of the season really boosted Chandler, in addition with getting a big contract, that made him think that he actually could be that type of player. If we, as fans, also had that expectation, then yes, I think it WAS primarily his fault. But I never had that type of expectation outside of fantasy.
Here's another way to put it: if Chandler hustled more to focus on offensive rebounding to get easy putbacks, setting screens and working off the ball, and sprinting in transition, he'd definitely have around 8.5-9 ppg. Because that's basically what he was doing prior to this season, and that's how much he was scoring.
As for his fouls, it's been often noted that an increase in personal fouls results often from poor conditioning. If you can't keep up with your guy because you're just not as fit, as strong, or as quick, then what else can you do but leap and hack recklessly? Chandler also is a "gambler" defensively, always going for the block.
And to be honest, how bad is that?
It reflects badly on Tyson and racks him up with a ton of fouls, which isn't good, but we also have one of the lowest opponents FG% in the league. Knowing that a guy is there to either come up with a big block or send you to the line will make you hesitate if you're a guard that is thinking of driving into the paint.
What he needs is simply to develop as a player, to be a better defender while using more intelligence on the floor, and combine that with better conditioning. On offense, we shouldn't be expecting much more than 8 ppg from a guy like that, and be very happy if he's doing his job on defense.
As far as something you want put down on paper... I think Tyson will always be a poor man's Marcus Camby, NEVER approaching the defensive prowess of the ridiculous Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman comparisons. The question is "how poor"...? Right now I'd say very poor, but it's kinda up to Tyson. I can't feel sorry for the guy because he is TONS less raw on offense than SCOTTIE PIPPEN was. Pippen of only two years of playing time at Central Arkansas despite being 23 years old. And Scottie would have been a hall of famer with only average defense based on his offense alone. So it's up to Tyson. Any time he wants he can show the improvement. One offseason like the ones Pip used to put himself through and Tyson wouldn't be needing the GM to hold his hand and tell the world that "we don't ask him to be an offensive player."
Maybe you're the expert on Pippen since you named yourself after him, but I absolutely do not believe this. I remember how he was in that playoff year, the first time MJ had gone to the playoffs, and he looked like a smooth offensive player. Tyson looks like he wouldn't get 11 ppg in college. It's a pretty bold statement. I know Pip was a nut in the offseason, and it depends on your definition of "raw", but I think Pip had a lot more talent and potential offensively than Tyson did. Having two years in the college game, even at Central Arkansas, is a lot more than having NONE.