:clap: :clap: :clap:Ron Cey said:Come on. This has gotten ridiculous. Tyson Chandler has been criticized up and down all season long and virtually every single poster on this board has acknowledged his poor play.
Who are you even talking about? Maybe one poster that you have beef with, but thats it.
Fans don't seem to criticize Tyson as loudly or as obnoxiously as they did Eddy Curry. I agree with you. So what? He still gets criticized. You just don't care for the more polite manner in which it happens.
I have repeatedly seen Tyson Chandler's poor play pegged as a primary, if not the primary, on-court reason for the Bulls under-achievement this season. And not just recently. For months. Indeed, I share in that opinion.
This is just silly. No offense intended here, but I have no idea what point you are trying to make anymore. Its as if you declared that boiled liver tastes bad and when everyone agrees with the obviousness of your statement you respond as though you've finally drawn out a long known, but reluctantly uttered, truth.
These are not sub rosa opinions. We've talked about it all season.
Oh. So this is all just a fictional hypothetical not based on fact. Seems kinda pointless.No when I say someone, I'm not talking about a specific person. I'm simply saying that, in a fictional world, IF a particular person were to not be critical to at least this extent, I could not see how.
If there is one thing this board did not lack this season, it was dialogue about Tyson Chandler's play.Ron I am very happy with your opinion on this issue, but at the same time I want dialogue.
As well as the hundreds, probably thousands, of posts by dozens of posters regarding Tyson Chandler's poor season dating back to mid-November.I feel that when someone gets the benefit of the doubt, rarely does that mean that someone who underachieves is lauded with praise. People instead just kind of fail to actually harp on said individual. I want to hear those opinions on Tyson, even if it's pretty easy to imagine what people's actual opinions are. I've learned a lot from the opinions that people have shared on Tyson, and that includes everyone who has shared theirs in this thread.
This falsely presupposes that these opinions were not already on the table. They actually reside in a large, heaping mound right smack in the middle of the table.And as for the manner in which they criticize Tyson, I just want things like what you shared with me out on the table.
No such prophecy exists. This is a false premise. Again.That way when things don't go according to the grand "Right Way" prophecy of automatic championships and Ben Gordon becomes the next to have everything about himself torn apart by our media, we can have the reference point of someone who got very polite treatment for not even showing up.
Well, not to get all word-specific, but I didn't say "prove", I said "make". I don't know what point you are trying to "make" - i.e., I don't know what your point is.As for proving a point, that's futile. The greatest lesson I've learned in life is that people are going to think what they think regardless of anything you prove.
Certainly. There are people that watch Knicks games and pine for Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry.There are people who've read the Dow report that believe that Pete Rose never bet on baseball. There are people who believe that Barry Bonds never did steroids because he hasn't actually been convicted of it, AND furthermore, that steroids can't make you hit a ball farther.
Which suggests that you haven't been reading the board re: Chandler very attentively for the last 4 months or so.So what am I really going to PROVE here. If anything I've had more proven TO ME in this thread than anything I've proven to anyone else.
I certainly know that "you" couldn't have this discussion there.You could not even have this discussion on the other board, a.k.a. PaxFantasyland.com.
I didn't need this thread to know that. I've been reading those opinions for months.The discussion is what I value. So it's pretty easy to discern the average opinion on Tyson Chandler, but, if you read this thread, you will see that the ACTUAL opinions have some rather valuable and diverse subopinions.
You are not playing devil's advocate. You believe what you write here. These are your actual opinions, not disinterested observations cast into play for the sake of discussion.So I had to play devil's advocate to get people talking lol. So what.
I'd also add something else. Tyson has been discussed negatively by a few. And up until recently a thread like that turned into an all out excuse fest.
Or: "Our team defense was the best in the league even with Curry.""We don't ask him to play offense"
Or: "How can Curry learn to play well in crunch time if Skiles is always sitting him?""He's not being utilized properly"
Or: "He lost 30 lbs, that proves he worked hard last summer.""Did you expect him to work hard this summer? What about injury"
Or: "Eddy will turn it around, and then don't jump on the bandwagon.""Tyson will turn it around, and then don't jump on the bandwagon"
Or: "Eddy got off to a slow start due to the DNA thing.""This season is a wash for him, he'll turn it around next year"
Or: "Eddy is surrounded by the wrong kind of players in New York, you can't blame him.""The guy got married, geesh."
See above regarding what you mean by "negatively".I see much more criticism/less defense of him recently. There are people who have turned only recently to being negative on Tyson.
I thought you weren't trying to prove a point since "the greatest lesson you've learned in life" is the futility of the attempt.Oh and what's hilarious is that you don't know what point I'm trying to prove. The whole dead horse discussion.
Absolutely.Isn't there like a 450 page Eddy Curry bashing thread that people STILL post in floating around here somewhere??! Aren't there people that STILL bash/defend Jamal Crawford??
I was analyzing what you said. I analyzed what you said very specifically and with great detail. In fact, my posts are structured as a nearly line-by-line response to what you said.Pippenatorade said:Ron if you want to participate, cool. If not, that's cool too. Keep any kind of personal things with me to PM. I'm certainly not trying to engage anyone in anything. I want to talk about Tyson Chandler. I don't want to talk about how worthy you think my motives are, or how worthy you think my cause is, or what I'm trying to say or anything pertaining to me and my posting. I've said what I've said. If you can't take that and analyze it for what it's worth, oh well.
Pippenatorade said:I do NOT claim to have started a new discussion or created a novel topic. I do NOT claim to have created a greater level of understanding for others, only for myself.