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Wichita State (2013 FF) - would be travel partner for SLU
What kind of a travel partner is a school 441 miles away? I guess Duquesne, and Davidson can be travel partners, since they are closer than Wichita and St. Louis. People just don't realize how far Wichita is. Wichita is closer to LA than to NYC.
 

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Can always count on the annual conference expansion thread.

None of this is happening anytime soon. The Big 12 has hinted at expanding for a few years and nothing has resulted.

Most likely we are not affected by that expansion at all because it's going to be centered around football. If the Big East isn't affected than we aren't either.

UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
Here’s the news for you:

The Big XII proposed a rule change that would allow them to hold a No. 1 vs No. 2 Championship game in football with only 10 members. The VOTE for that rule change will come in JANUARY.

We’ve known this since the summer, so while there’s been rumors since the Big XII got screwed out of CFP spot last year, it’s been all smoke and no fire because everyone expected the rule proposal to pass, and the Big XII wouldn’t need to expand.

But in December, the Big Ten added an amendment: That championship games still must be among Division Champions, and now no one has a good nose count on how everyone’s going to vote.

If the proposal FAILS, then it’s a lot of fire. And that’s the reason this conversation is heating up NOW.



Now, as it pertains to UMass… quality of football hasn’t mattered as much as market size for decades now.

Rutgers is 71st in win pct out of the 128 FBS schools; Big Ten wanted NYC market
Maryland in 62nd in win pct out of the 128 FBS schools; Big Ten wanted DC market
Boise State’s been better than Colorado for a decade; Pac-12 wanted Denver market
West Virginia’s been better than Missouri for decades; SEC wanted St. Louis market

The American selected:
SMU (.477)
Memphis (.471)
UConn (.463)
Tulane (.448)
Temple (.434)

over
Toledo (.586)
Bowling Green (.575)
Southern Miss (.558)
App State (.541)
La Tech (.512)
Ball St (.505)


THE AAC ain’t gonna give a damn that UMass and Charlotte haven’t won yet, because while Toledo and Ball State have been winning more, no one really has given a damn because they're Toledo and Ball State. People MIGHT care if UMass and Charlotte win in the AAC.
 

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What kind of a travel partner is a school 441 miles away? I guess Duquesne, and Davidson can be travel partners, since they are closer than Wichita and St. Louis. People just don't realize how far Wichita is. Wichita is closer to LA than to NYC.
#1 - LA is 10 miles closer than NYC.

#2 - This isn't a new development. Tons of leagues have great distances between members.

1150 from USC to Washington
1500 from BC to Miami
1425 from Creighton to Providence
1960 from UTEP to ODU

UTEP has been the furthest member away from EVERY SCHOOL in Conference USA since they joined in 2005.

#3 - We have airports. No one is busing from SLU to WSU.
 

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Can always count on the annual conference expansion thread.

None of this is happening anytime soon. The Big 12 has hinted at expanding for a few years and nothing has resulted.

Most likely we are not affected by that expansion at all because it's going to be centered around football. If the Big East isn't affected than we aren't either.

UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
While we're not a good football team, you have some interesting arithmetic skills, considering UMass has won 6 games since 2014. (the number you were looking for was 8 wins since 2012, which is still terrible). Recruiting it better now, but we'll need to see how the next few years shake out to see if any conference would give any semblance of a reasonable look at us.

When all the new media contracts need to get sorted out (over the next 7-10 years mostly, I believe) there will be a better idea of the landscape for overall realignment.
 

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I hope they vote so that the Big 12 has to expand to at least 12.
It will be fun watching all the pieces shake out.

I'm leaving now to book my flight into the Olean airport.
 

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Plus, you know.... who's LEFT for the American to add?

Assuming Boise State isn't an option, their best bet is to take a school that just added FBS, in a good market, and hope they GROW into a good team.
 

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UMass is absolutely not the first candidate for the AAC. They have won 5 football games since 2012.....
You're missing the big picture. UMass' W/L record in the last four years (also their first four years in FBS) is largely irrelevant. As JP spelled out the key is what UMass can bring to the table for AAC and what UMass can become in the future.

That being said, I don't know if there are better candidates for addition to the AAC.
 

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The win/loss record isn't the biggest thing that they'd worry about. It's a combination of a lack of a proper on-campus stadium and some pretty poor attendance numbers (which could be improved with a better on campus stadium...and obviously a better record) that are the biggest drawbacks right now.
 

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^ Stadium's can be renovated or built. Attendance can improve. There aren't too many big flagship state schools that are close to a big media market, that have shown they're willing and able to invest in athletics, have FBS, and would offer UConn a regional partner.
 

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I am well aware of the expansion JP. This involves football though not basketball as I said.

AAC is not interested in a terrible football program. Maybe that changes and I hope it does for UMass's sake but why would they take a chance on that it might improve? Maybe you can look past that given if they had an excellent basketball program like Temple or UConn.

The Northeast college football market is one of the worst in the country. So many programs have been trying to grab ahold of some of it outside of Penn State. Rutgers is trying to get their program there. Syracuse, Pitt, UConn and Temple etc are some others. Yet, these programs have struggled for most of their years.

It won't matter how big the market is and if you grow into a good team if the market isn't interested. The northeast market outside of a few P5 conference programs do not do well. The northeast just isn't nearly as heavily interested as other markets.

Temple is a great example. They had a great season right? Yet, outside of Penn State and Notre Dame they couldn't draw big #'s despite how big the market is and how well they were doing. UConn Temple, AAC championship game, a New Years eve/day game on the line. Temple is ranked....can barely even draw 28,000 fans.

I don't have all the programs numbers in front of me but I would imagine that there are quite a few programs that have significant markets with both a decent football and basketball program. Old Dominion is one that comes to mind. Marshall has a pretty good athletic program as well.
 

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I am well aware of the expansion JP. This involves football though not basketball as I said.

AAC is not interested in a terrible football program. Maybe that changes and I hope it does for UMass's sake but why would they take a chance on that it might improve? Maybe you can look past that given if they had an excellent basketball program like Temple or UConn.

The Northeast college football market is one of the worst in the country. So many programs have been trying to grab ahold of some of it outside of Penn State. Rutgers is trying to get their program there. Syracuse, Pitt, UConn and Temple etc are some others. Yet, these programs have struggled for most of their years.

It won't matter how big the market is and if you grow into a good team if the market isn't interested. The northeast market outside of a few P5 conference programs do not do well. The northeast just isn't nearly as heavily interested as other markets.

Temple is a great example. They had a great season right? Yet, outside of Penn State and Notre Dame they couldn't draw big #'s despite how big the market is and how well they were doing. UConn Temple, AAC championship game, a New Years eve/day game on the line. Temple is ranked....can barely even draw 28,000 fans.

I don't have all the programs numbers in front of me but I would imagine that there are quite a few programs that have significant markets with both a decent football and basketball program. Old Dominion is one that comes to mind. Marshall has a pretty good athletic program as well.
Old Dominion would definitely be an American candidate (ODU is also a two-year old program). Marshall.... can't see it.

There are not "quite a few" programs that have significant markets AND both decent football and basketball.

There's none. No one left hits all three.

Here's your candidates:

UMass
Charlotte
Old Dominion
Georgia St
UAB
Buffalo
UT San Antonio
Florida Intl
Florida Atlantic
Toledo

Also, you're not inviting a school's past. You're inviting a school's future.
 

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Am I weird for thinking Buffalo is a really decent candidate? Teams are okay, facilities are okay+, play in a city that exists.

Actually, looking at it, all those choices really suck. Buffalo included.
 

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UConn would probably drop football, and join the BE before they would accept the slop you're suggesting for the AAC. They're gagging at what's in the league now.
 

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Am I weird for thinking Buffalo is a really decent candidate? Teams are okay, facilities are okay+, play in a city that exists.

Actually, looking at it, all those choices really suck. Buffalo included.
In the current state if affairs, all of them are pretty bad. Comparatively speaking, no, Buffalo wouldn't be a crazy choice. Hell, they recently had a top 5 draft pick in the NFL on top of it all.

That's basically the only team I'll miss playing yearly from the MAC...it was really fun beating them in the last game of the season to keep them from being bowl eligible. Could have been a nice little rivalry if the games kept going.
 

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sjhawk, you’re not weird for thinking Buffalo would be a decent candidate.

e-parade is right. It’s not a very good pool to choose from when you’re talking about the best of the bottom third of FBS on the eastern half of the US.


duq, I’d disagree with that assessment of UConn. They know that nothing is permanent and the ACC is at a weird number of teams with 14 football, 15 basketball; they know they should be in the upper echelon of that basketball league and keep making NCAA teams. And they know they’d be “next in line” for anyone expanding further.


Bill, you’re right on. The American’s historical membership includes:
Louisville (1995-2005 C-USA)
USF (1995-2003 C-USA)
Memphis (1995-2013 C-USA)
Tulane (1995-2014 C-USA)
Houston (1999-2013 C-USA)
East Carolina (1997-2014 C-USA)
UCF (2005-2013 C-USA)
SMU (2005-2013 C-USA)
Tulsa (2005-2014 C-USA)
Plus UConn & Temple. Navy was never a C-USA member, but Army was from 1998-2005 in football.
 

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What about the MWC?

Boise, San Deigo State, Air Force, New Mexico etc. Wouldn't those present better options?

So let's say the Big 12 expands right? They take UConn and Cincy.

If UConn and Cincy were to leave the AAC right? Let's say it happens officially in 2017. What do you think that TV contract is going to look like when it expires in 2019/2020? It certainly isn't going to be another 125 million dollar contract.

Don't forget either even with that contract it didn't help Temple's athletic budget issues.
 

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What about the MWC?

Boise, San Deigo State, Air Force, New Mexico etc. Wouldn't those present better options?

So let's say the Big 12 expands right? They take UConn and Cincy.

If UConn and Cincy were to leave the AAC right? Let's say it happens officially in 2017. What do you think that TV contract is going to look like when it expires in 2019/2020? It certainly isn't going to be another 125 million dollar contract.

Don't forget either even with that contract it didn't help Temple's athletic budget issues.
I'm catching hell of saying the A-10's top target if we lose someone should be Wichita State, and the American should go get Boise State, San Diego State, Air Force and New Mexico?

They kicked that can down the sidewalk before, remember, with Boise State, San Diego State, TCU and Air Force all coming to their senses and backing out.

That would only have been for football affiliate membership, and that's the only way something like that COULD work. Boise State and San Diego State were going to be members of the Big East (Football only) and Big West (all sports) at the same time.

Of course, the American cannot really pull something like that off NOW, because when they were gonna try it, they still had the Catholic 7 in their basketball league (and Notre Dame)

There's no reason for the MWC schools to want to do it when all that's left is Temple, South Florida, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU, Tulane and Tulsa.

And quite honestly, if UConn and Cincy go to the Big XII... Houston, SMU, Tulsa and Memphis might start thinking the MWC would be a better home for them.

Or maybe the best of MWC and the Western part of the American join up for a new league.
 
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