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Recruiting in Florida?
Yup. Also they're the big brand these days, and flights to Orlando are pretty damn easy.

BYU is on as much of an island as UCF. If BYU decides they don't want in, or try to make it more complicated then needed, then Memphis is the likely backup. Also there's rumblings (on twitter) of BYU potentially being football only and having the rest of their sports in the WCC.
 

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Also there's rumblings (on twitter)...
Golly... there can't be many more nauseating things in sports than reading through the never-ending dick measuring contests between college football fans. It's at warp speed any time this conference realignment shit revs back up. Can any of these trilobites manipulate their micro peckers into emerging from wispily pube-dusted Ken Doll crotches?
 

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The fun part is watching the delusional soon to be remaining (most likely) AAC fans think they'll still be top dog and capable of backfilling football from the Mountain West and Basketball from the A10 with ease.
 

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The fun part is watching the delusional soon to be remaining (most likely) AAC fans think they'll still be top dog and capable of backfilling football from the Mountain West and Basketball from the A10 with ease.
Whatever is left of the AAC should disband and join/form more regionally relevant leagues. Knowing who you aren't is almost as important as knowing who you are. Cultivate regional football rivalries and carve out a throwback, somewhat unique modern identity.
 

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It looks like the aforementioned four schools will be invited to the Big 12 soon. What does the AAC do? Other than Memphis, that conference is going to look a lot like a glorified C-USA or Sun Belt.

Marshall? Georgia State? Buffalo? UMass? Rice? Liberty?
 

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UAB is always listed as a top choice, ODU is usually on some lists. Marshall is another often mentioned one.

Rice would probably be necessary to make sure Navy doesn't go Indy again (they want a big Texas presence). They might just do 2, or they may go for 4. I doubt UMass would be included, but if we were it would most likely be as a package with Buffalo (who wouldn't need to be tied to us to get invited).

If we had done anything other than jack shit in football the past few years we might get considered. But at this point all we have going for us is that we're bigger budget than a lot of the others, don't have shitty press (Liberty), and are good academically. But without the sports prowess to back us up, we're out.
 

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The AAC is really between a rock and a hard place because the best teams at football are in markets like Boone, North Carolina; and Ruston Louisiana; and Huntington, West Virginia.

And the schools in markets like Charlotte, San Antonio, Miami basically suck.

UAB has to be a lock, because they're pretty good in both and in a top 50 market.

If they look for two more schools like that, their choices would be two of Old Dominion, North Texas, Buffalo, (but UB has lackluster facilities, and the AAC already has SMU... so would they take UNT?).

They could go one market (Rice, UTSA, FAU) , one good football program (App St, Marshall) with the other two openings?


Who the hell knows what methodology and logic they use.
 

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If BYU is leaving the WCC for the Big 12.... Let's just fucking invite Gonzaga.
Gonzaga and Wichita would be a couple of good adds

On a more serious note, I hope ODU gets invited to the AAC, just so people stop speculating on them coming here
 

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Whatever is left of the AAC should disband and join/form more regionally relevant leagues. Knowing who you aren't is almost as important as knowing who you are. Cultivate regional football rivalries and carve out a throwback, somewhat unique modern identity.
The AAC has always reminded me of the Metro before it disbanded. A good league with a mish mash of teams that never seemed to fit that was bursting at the seams until is wasn't.
 
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You'd think northeastern FBS public schools like Temple, UMass, Army, Navy, Buffalo, and UConn would gravitate toward one another--even if only for football purposes. It's ridiculous that the NCAA won't allow a college hockey setup for a sport that plays so few games and has so little in common with the rest of college sports. A league like the one listed below would be a pretty cool regional football conference:

Temple
UMass
Army
Navy
Buffalo
UConn
Delaware (FCS)
Marshall
James Madison (FCS)
Old Dominion
 

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There are 7 Independent FBS football schools. Take Notre Dame and BYU off the list and the other five are Army, Liberty, UMass, New Mexico State and UConn. Some may be attractive to AAC for football expansion. Army has a solid TV following that should interest the media. If they can then cherry pick CUSA for FIU (the largest university in the country), UAB, and maybe Marshall they wouldn't be a horrible football conference (lesser than what they are now) but still a football conference that could participate in the College Football Playoff. That is what it is all about, football and the money it can generate. Hoops simply follows what football drives.
 

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Gonzaga and Wichita would be a couple of good adds

On a more serious note, I hope ODU gets invited to the AAC, just so people stop speculating on them coming here
Wichita State is probably fine in the AAC. But I'm serious on talking with Gonzaga. I might not work because of the geography. But we're stupid not to try it, and to let them make the decision instead of us. How many of our teams would take an OOC game at Gonzaga if offered? All of us. How many of us would have a problem with a Top 5 team in our conference? None of us. How many of us would have a problem being THE TALK of college sports for a few days? None of us.

Invite just Gonzaga. 18 conference games. Schedule by three groups of five; Each group has a City Pair, a Regional Pair, and one other school. 2 vs your group, 1 vs the others...

A: Gonzaga, Dayton, Saint Louis, George Washington, George Mason
B: VCU, Richmond, Rhode Island, UMass, LaSalle
C: St. Bonaventure, Davidson, Duquesne, Saint Joseph's, Fordham

So Gonzaga gets the two "closest" (ha) A-10 members, plus two neighbor schools in DC; H/A.
Year 1 road: VCU/Richmond, Rhode Island/UMass, Fordham
Year 2 road: St. Joe's/LaSalle, Duquesne/St. Bona, Davidson

Year 3, we can shuffle the City Pairs or Regional Pairs into different groups if necessary. Year 4 inverse. That's a stable schedule they can plan around. It's not FUN or EASY travel, but they know they won't get stuck with "this year, you get at (four hardest places to get to).

Make it a four-year trial agreement; after year two, they can assess if they want to stay or go after year four. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, no hard feelings. We give them their A-10 share of revenue for the units they bring the league if they decide not to stay. Either way they get that money.

Gonzaga has nothing really to lose by doing that. The Zags probably aren't going to fall off the map by playing four years in the A-10. If they decided to bail after the experiment, the WCC would welcome them back in a heartbeat. And any other conference options on the table now will be open to them in four years, too.

Like I said, it's crazy and might not work because of things like... volleyball and baseball. But let Gonzaga make that decision. If we don't at least talk about it, we might end up with Gonzaga joining the Mountain West and the MWC then getting far more bids than we want them to get, cutting into ours.
 

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There are 7 Independent FBS football schools. Take Notre Dame and BYU off the list and the other five are Army, Liberty, UMass, New Mexico State and UConn. Some may be attractive to AAC for football expansion. Army has a solid TV following that should interest the media. If they can then cherry pick CUSA for FIU (the largest university in the country), UAB, and maybe Marshall they wouldn't be a horrible football conference (lesser than what they are now) but still a football conference that could participate in the College Football Playoff. That is what it is all about, football and the money it can generate. Hoops simply follows what football drives.
Nah. UConn ain't going back. They're making more money as BE/Indy because of the AAC/ESPN contract eliminated T2 rights and said it's either ESPN TV or ESPN+ streaming. UConn was selling a T2 package to SNY before the new deal and that revenue was going to go away. And Big East opponents help their ticket sales in hoops a lot more.

Army wants to be independent for the same reason as Notre Dame: National schedule. Not for football reasons, but to play their road games near bases around the country. They don't need to be in a conference.

Liberty has been good, because they're throwing money at sports. But that's Jerry Falwell's school. They have a ton of baggage and are generally snubbed by the liberal intelligencia that runs college conferences.

UMass... They haven't had enough football success to be considered a better candidate than Old Dominion, or Buffalo, or UTSA, or North Texas.

New Mexico State - best chance to be invited to a conference. C-USA. Because UTEP is so far from everyone else, and NMSU is 40 miles away so it would make road trips a lot better to play two teams and have three days between flying all the way out there than flying to El Paso, turning around and flying back.
 

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Gonzaga and Wichita have both considered joining the MWC in the recent past. If either leaves their current conference the MWC is where they’re headed. Gonzaga would join the Big East if they were willing to subject their athletes to constant cross country travel. But they aren’t and shouldn’t be willing to do that which is why they’re in the WCC.

The challenge with forming geographically compact G5 FBS conferences is that schools want to be with other schools with similar institutional profiles and financial resources which is especially important where football is concerned. At the G5 level its a mishmash of both resources and institutional mission. A northeast conference is never happening because Army/Navy aren’t interested and it’s simply not worth petitioning the NCAA for an auto-bid for the slop that would be assembled. That said, a more geographically sensible realignment may emerge over the next decade if the Big 12 takes additional schools from the AAC.

Liberty’s problems go far beyond Falwell. Their faculty is loaded with Liberty alumni and to a lesser extent graduates of for-profits. Liberty violates some of the most basic practices of academia that all of higher ed follows except for outliers like Liberty, Bob Jones, etc. BYU may have policies that staff at other universities dislike but they operate very close to the general institutional norms followed throughout higher ed.

Army’s schedule isn’t built around playing near bases. It’s built around having six likely wins, four 50/50 games and a couple of P5. They do play routinely in the Southeast and Texas for recruitment purposes. They curb stomped GA State in Atlanta on Saturday.
 

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Army’s schedule isn’t built around playing near bases. It’s built around having six likely wins, four 50/50 games and a couple of P5. They do play routinely in the Southeast and Texas for recruitment purposes. They curb stomped GA State in Atlanta on Saturday.
I'm sure it's both. Yes, they play routinely in the Southeast and Texas. Which is also where a ton of their bases are.

Georgia State... which is near Fort Gordon, Fort Benning and Robins.
They go to Wisconsin this year (Fort McCoy), and Ball State (Grissom and Wright-Patterson).
They've been to UTSA like twice in four seasons (Lackland, Camp Bullis, Joint Base San Antonio, Brooks City and Randolph are all in SA).

They played Tulane last year (NOLA Joint Naval Station, Fort Polk)
And in 2019 they played Western Kentucky (Fort Campbell and Fort Knox), UTSA again, and Hawai'i (Pearl Harbor).
In 2018, they played at Duke (Johnson and Fort Bragg) and Oklahoma (Vance, Tinker, Fort Sill).

When they joined C-USA in the 90s, they said they were joining because this gives them road games within 2 hours of a dozen major installations.
 

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I don't think Gonzaga gives two shits if BYU leaves. It doesn't really impact them all that much. They are a national power and they get in every tournament they want and can schedule games with anyone.

If they ever do leave the WCC, they sure aren't going to the A10.

Mountain West would make sense, but still would be unlikely.
 

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Yeah... that Gonzaga thing simply won't happen. If they did anything crazy like that, it would be with the Big East. Really, though, what's in it for GU to change anything? They essentially rule the roost in the WCC. When BYU leaves, what changes tangibly for the Bulldogs' program? Nothing.

Who might the WCC add? Anyone? Stay at nine and get back to the 16-game round robin? Few schools out west fit the league's private, Christian profile. Grand Canyon has the whole for-profit thing going against it. Gonzaga probably doesn't want an in-state neighbor in Seattle U. Cal Baptist is still new to D1, but has a solid facility. University of Denver, maybe?
 

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Yeah... that Gonzaga thing simply won't happen. If they did anything crazy like that, it would be with the Big East. Really, though, what's in it for GU to change anything? They essentially rule the roost in the WCC. When BYU leaves, what changes tangibly for the Bulldogs' program? Nothing.

Who might the WCC add? Anyone? Stay at nine and get back to the 16-game round robin? Few schools out west fit the league's private, Christian profile. Grand Canyon has the whole for-profit thing going against it. Gonzaga probably doesn't want an in-state neighbor in Seattle U. Cal Baptist is still new to D1, but has a solid facility. University of Denver, maybe?
The wild thing is this. What if the MWC adds St. Mary's for hoops only? Would that be enough to push Gonzaga's hand? It's hard to say, but man would that be a weak conference without those two.

GCU and Seattle U would be the only likely adds, IMO. SeattleU is Jesuit and close to other WCC schools.

NMSU could possibly be added, but seems like a major long shot. Their football stinks, but the closest team to Las Cruces is 10 hours away. They don't seem to fit the WCC profile at all besides being one of the best western teams without a good home.

The WCC has virtually no good options for adding teams. I do think GCU would be a nice add. Seattle U is pretty bad, but who knows what you'd do with such few options.
 

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WCC isn't going to take a public school. Quite honestly I'm surprised they ever admitted BYU, for all 3 of religious, enrollment, and $ (endowment) reasons. Seattle would be a perfect replacement profile-wise. Neither Gonzaga or SMC fit the MWC profile. NMSU should move there and get out of the WAC.

But Gonzaga isn't moving to an eastern conference. They have a sweet NCAA unit deal with the WCC, they have a satisfactory TV situation, and there's no reason on earth for them to move. They're in the wrong time zone and playing EST games would be lousy for their fan base. They don't have football bloat to fund. Gonzaga is going nowhere soon, and if they did eventually move it would only be to some western (non-FB) super conference as the main attraction.

I think the Big 12 got 3/4 correct - assuming they all accept the invite, I'd have replaced UCF with SMU but there's some obvious bad history there that can't be overcome. Memphis would have been next in line. BYU and Cincinnati are good (enough). Houston should be - but aren't - and are a TX team. UCF has been good, but directional state school and power conference football just doesn't seem right.
 
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