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Perceptions are huge. If the Big East is looking like the titanic, recruits might now want to be there. Coaches won't want to be there, and as we have seen entire schools have decided they don't want to be there.
 

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The Big East will continue to do well. Schools like Georgetown, Nova, Louisville, Marquette will continue to recruit well.

This does give the A-10 an opening, though, not to get recruits who would have gone to Syracuse or Pitt, but players who are considering Seton Hall, PC, St Johns. etc

As a Northeasterner I am not actually happy with the demise of the Big East. It's returning to the days before the Big East when the Northeast was a backwater for football and basketball was fragmented. Power is shifting again to the South and Midwest.
 

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Yeah the gap has been closed significantly recently but I still think the Big East is in a upper position in relation to the A10. Mostly because if things continue to go wrong they will just poach A10 schools.
 

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When the Big East TV contract is over, the new one (ex Pitt, WVa, Cuse and their MONSTER sized alumni bases) the conference will not have the same marketing power as before. Also, football money being drained out will have some effect. The gap will close. If Rutgers or UConn get lured away, the picture changes again.
 

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NBCSports is willing to pay 4 million each to the basketball schools to get rights to both basketball and football as it stands. That's absurdly better than anything we will get in the A-10.

We're rightfully happy with our contract, it's a massive improvement, but it's still several times less than the Big East basketball schools are making just by virtue of being associated with the Big East football schools.
 

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When the Big East TV contract is over, the new one (ex Pitt, WVa, Cuse and their MONSTER sized alumni bases) the conference will not have the same marketing power as before. Also, football money being drained out will have some effect. The gap will close. If Rutgers or UConn get lured away, the picture changes again.
And it will still be significantly more than the A10's.
 

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The Big East loses one of the best bball programs in the country in Syracuse and a very good program in Pitt.

They add one very good basketball program in Memphis, a good basketball program in Temple, and two programs in Houston and UCF that have loads of potential.

Houston signed the #20 and #54 recruits as well as two solid 3 star recruits for this season. They're going to get better.

The Big East will be fine.

I think the A10 will continue to improve as a conference, but it won't be passing the Big East any time soon.

Georgetown, Louisville, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Marquette, Villanova, St. John's is a very strong group of teams.
 

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Georgetown, Louisville, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Marquette, Villanova, St. John's is a very strong group of teams.
You must be convinced that the most powerful program in the history of the league is going to fall off of the map now that their coach has retired, since I don't see them mentioned here.
 

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Big East basketball only members are poised to receive more than 10 times the amount A-10 schools get from their new tv deal. The article points out that this is because the Big East is able to leveage football with basketball. That is why the idea that the Catholic basketball onlies would willingly break away from the Big East to form their own conference is a pipedream. While a basketball only version of the old Big East could command more money than the A-10, it would be a huge decrease from what they currently get (probably severla million dollars per yr for each member). The Catholic basketball onlies may not like the direction of the Big East but they cannot afford to willingly walk away. The only way they form their own league is if the BE completely falls apart. While the BE could still lose some football members, there will be still be enough left to keep the league alive. Most of the football schools will be left without a better alternative and they will not leave for money reasons as well. It is the money that is keeping this odd collection of schools together and it is likely to continue to stay that way while that money it is still available.
 

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And it will still be significantly more than the A10's.

In one year's time, JHG, you will be just another Big East Scalp. BTW do you think the Aces will have a better season than villanova this year? I do. Also: Your thoughts on how many Owl fans travel to Izod Center on Dec 8 and MSG on 12/22.
 

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Big East basketball only members are poised to receive more than 10 times the amount A-10 schools get from their new tv deal. The article points out that this is because the Big East is able to leveage football with basketball. That is why the idea that the Catholic basketball onlies would willingly break away from the Big East to form their own conference is a pipedream. While a basketball only version of the old Big East could command more money than the A-10, it would be a huge decrease from what they currently get (probably severla million dollars per yr for each member). The Catholic basketball onlies may not like the direction of the Big East but they cannot afford to willingly walk away. The only way they form their own league is if the BE completely falls apart. While the BE could still lose some football members, there will be still be enough left to keep the league alive. Most of the football schools will be left without a better alternative and they will not leave for money reasons as well. It is the money that is keeping this odd collection of schools together and it is likely to continue to stay that way while that money it is still available.
Exactly! In fact, the departure of Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse actually makes it less likely that the hoops schools would end up on their own. Those three schools had the power to force a split from the hoops schools, the remaining football schools don't. I think this was close to happening, and is the reason why the ACC pulled the trigger. Had the BE football schools broken away, they likely would have agreed to penalties that would have kept any of them from leaving. This would have left the ACC vulnerable to being raided, with no reasonable replacements available. With those schools gone, the remaining football schools aren't attractive enough either as a football, or hoops league, to really stand on it's own.
 

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Look at it from the Network's perspective: It's going to cost them ten times as much to broadcast the Seton Hall v Georgetown game than the Butler v SLU game. If the A-10 continues to deliver good games and starts to deliver good audiences, the [edit] math will push them towards us.
 

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Look at it from the Network's perspective: It's going to cost them ten times as much to broadcast the Seton Hall v Georgetown game than the Butler v SLU game. If the A-10 continues to deliver good games and starts to deliver good audiences, the match will push them towards us.
The key question is what brings in more advertising dollars?

SLU vs Butler or GU vs. SH
 
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