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In order to let the Malcolm Thomas thread die a merciful death, and to irritate those who see Noah as holding our team back, Bill Russell enters the fray:

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"A player who doesn't get much attention and is one of my favorites to watch is Joakim Noah," Russell said. "The Bulls don't utilize some of his skills. Not only is he a good rebounder but he's an excellent passer. A good passer is more important to a team than a good shooter on offense."
Idiot.

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Noah is a good starting center. Good being the operative word here. Lets not act like Noah is some great player here. Hes a reliable starting 5 with plenty of strengths, and plenty of weaknesses.
 

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Noah is a good starting center. Good being the operative word here. Lets not act like Noah is some great player here. Hes a reliable starting 5 with plenty of strengths, and plenty of weaknesses.
Hey, I like Noah.

He might be my favorite player on the Bulls after Rose.

But no argument regarding his strengths and weaknesses.

I have a small sliver of hope that he'll regain some confidence in that tornado shot and even add a hook.

It's cool that Russell likes him. Russell is awesome.
 

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I don't disagree with the statement. Would you rather a top 5 assist man on the team, or a top 5 3 point shooter? To me its a very simple question. Although how that relates to Noah...... I'm not sure.
He din't say a top five passer or top 5 3 point shooter.

Joakim Noah isn't either one of those two.

IMO A good passer is not better than a good shooter on offense, case in point the simple fact that a team drafted Bradle Beal over Kendal Marshall, Marshall is one of the best PURE passers that has come out of college IN A LOOOOONG time.

But lets focus on Noah here, Russel says we don't utilize him enough. Ok, name me one team in the NBA that utilizes their Center as much as the Bulls do in the passing game? Maybe Pau Gasol.

What exactly does he want the Bulls to do with Noah that we haven't been doing?

There is only so much you can do with a big man who can't create offense for himself. What made Chris Weber so deadly? Was it the fact that he was probably the best passing big man in the game, or was it the fact that he was an all world offensive player as well? It was a combination of both his passing and scoring that made him such a dangerous player. Unfortunately Noah doesn't have the offensive tools to be used the way Russel thinks we should use him.
 

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He din't say a top five passer or top 5 3 point shooter.

Joakim Noah isn't either one of those two.

IMO A good passer is not better than a good shooter on offense, case in point the simple fact that a team drafted Bradle Beal over Kendal Marshall, Marshall is one of the best PURE passers that has come out of college IN A LOOOOONG time.

But lets focus on Noah here, Russel says we don't utilize him enough. Ok, name me one team in the NBA that utilizes their Center as much as the Bulls do in the passing game? Maybe Pau Gasol.

What exactly does he want the Bulls to do with Noah that we haven't been doing?

There is only so much you can do with a big man who can't create offense for himself. What made Chris Weber so deadly? Was it the fact that he was probably the best passing big man in the game, or was it the fact that he was an all world offensive player as well? It was a combination of both his passing and scoring that made him such a dangerous player. Unfortunately Noah doesn't have the offensive tools to be used the way Russel thinks we should use him.
Those are good points. Which is why I wish that Noah would work on that shot and hook, enough to make it respected. It would enable the Bulls to use his other skills more effectively. With Rose out, he's going to have to develop that part of his game. Let's hope he makes some strides.
 

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Hmmmm.... am I going to listen to the guy who can't even spell Tornado correctly, or the guy with a doctorate in drisification?


Tough choice.
 

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Those are good points. Which is why I wish that Noah would work on that shot and hook, enough to make it respected. It would enable the Bulls to use his other skills more effectively. With Rose out, he's going to have to develop that part of his game. Let's hope he makes some strides.
Well that shot is not going to get any better, his form is horrible and while it goes in from time to time, when guarded its a whole different story.

A hook shot would be nice, but honestly I haven't seen many big men with a solid hook shot in recent years.
 

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Well that shot is not going to get any better,

Why not? The dude significantly improved his FT%. I'm fairly comfortable with Noah taking some mid-range jumpers here and there to keep defenses honest. I wouldn't hold my breath on developing a hook shot at his age, though.
 

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IMO A good passer is not better than a good shooter on offense, case in point the simple fact that a team drafted Bradle Beal over Kendal Marshall, Marshall is one of the best PURE passers that has come out of college IN A LOOOOONG time.
Was Washington supposed to take Marshall when they already have John Wall?
 

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Was Washington supposed to take Marshall when they already have John Wall?
The point is, nobody was going to take Marshall over Beal. But while I agree that Washington and Cleveland did not have a need for a PG, it doesn't change the fact that teams that needed a PG like New Orleans and Portland passed over Marshall for guys who are better shooters.
 

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1. nobody drafted beal as a shooter , he was drafted as a scorer who can shoot ....steve kerr was a shooter , as a specialist, shooting is a dime a dozen , like rebounding or defense .

the value is when a player can do more than 1 thing at an elite level. the nbdl is full of guys who can only do one thing well. Beal eventually will be expected to be good at alot of things and great at 2.

2. noah does not score well enough to warrant being a bigger part of the offense , its the threat of scoring that makes passing so deadly , without it a player can only do so much because the defense will play him to pass instead of to shoot.

3. noah is a really good passer.

4. noah is a decent shooter when open, but his form pretty much prevents him from making it a major weapon , a smart team would take this wasted season and re-tool his shot.

5. marshall is a 6'4 chris duhon, which is nice , but only to a point.(no pun intended)
 

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1. nobody drafted beal as a shooter , he was drafted as a scorer who can shoot ....steve kerr was a shooter , as a specialist, shooting is a dime a dozen , like rebounding or defense .

the value is when a player can do more than 1 thing at an elite level. the nbdl is full of guys who can only do one thing well. Beal eventually will be expected to be good at alot of things and great at 2.

2. noah does not score well enough to warrant being a bigger part of the offense , its the threat of scoring that makes passing so deadly , without it a player can only do so much because the defense will play him to pass instead of to shoot.

3. noah is a really good passer.

4. noah is a decent shooter when open, but his form pretty much prevents him from making it a major weapon , a smart team would take this wasted season and re-tool his shot.

5. marshall is a 6'4 chris duhon, which is nice , but only to a point.(no pun intended)
Beal was touted as one of the best Jump Shooters in HS, he may not have been lights out in college but we are talking about a kid who had some Ray Allen comparisons coming out of HS.

Marshall is Jason Kidd wihtout the ability to score, not Duhon.
 

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Beal was touted as one of the best Jump Shooters in HS, he may not have been lights out in college but we are talking about a kid who had some Ray Allen comparisons coming out of HS.

Marshall is Jason Kidd wihtout the ability to score, not Duhon.
jason kidd before he got old was the best rebounding guard in the game , with great end to end speed , while being a very good defensive player .

marshall is none of that .

he is a little on the slow side , doesn't rebound particularly well , and with questionable lateral quickness and mediocre defensive ability in general .

i like his heady game but outside of running an offense he brings little , he has almost nothing that made kidd special but he is loaded with the stuff that makes duhon ordinary ( mediocre athleticism , no midrange game , lack of scoring ability, average 3 point shot occasionally gets hot ) being a great passer is great but it means less if you dont have the ability to break down defenses and threaten to score.

and beal is a scorer 1st , just like ray allen , if allen was mostly a shooter , he wouldn't be nearly as good. beal's nba comparisons are allen and eric gordon , not korver and novak, ., beal is supposed to be a 20+ point a game scorer ,and you dont there mostly spotting up
 
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