Scoop Jordan and KeeKee Clark to PIT

Re: One question ...

What are guys in the CBA making? $10k? $15k? Of course they're going to go over seas and make more money.

I'd say that 80% of the guys that head overseas are making well under $100k per year.

That Telfair movie on ESPN showed how his brother - who was a great player at Providence - schleps over to Europe to help pay the bills in the projects. If he's making any more than $50k, there's no need to be living in the projects.

These guys, especially guys out of the MAAC, are playing seasons that are 35, maybe 40, games long.

The top teams in Europe have a total operating budget between $12 - $15 million....but that's in the very top leagues....leagues that MAAC-level guys don't play in.

Of course a few guys go over there and make $300k or $400k - but it's a small percentage.

Didn't Amedio have a story on Marc Brown a year or two ago - he's been playing overseas for 13 or 14 years at the time and he's made a little less than $2 million.

A lot of MAAC guys go over there and are playing in second tier European leagues.


As far as Burtt goes, maybe he's already been invited to the pre-draft camp. Don't the best performers in Portsmouth get an invite? That's the only reason I could think of as to why he's not going to Portsmouth.

Re: One question ...

This is from one of the European sites. Decent money for import players - but very, very few making more than $100k - as the seasons are 4 - 5 months long.


Average monthly salary for an import player (in USD) : a rough idea with a few examples
1st div 2nd div 3rd div 4th div 5th div
France 11000 5000 2500 1500 including maybe a job beside bball 1000 including maybe a job beside bball
Italy 15000 10000 2500
Spain 15000 (some 50000 !) 7000 5000
Greece 20000 8000
Turkey 15000 7500
Germany 5000 (some 25000) 3000 1500 1500 1500
Holland 3500 1500
Luxemburg 2500 1500
Switzerland 4000 1500
England 2500 1500
Poland 6000 3000
Scandinavia 4000 2000
Eastern Europe 3500-5000 ?

Slide 4 : What is behind the salary - a few things to think about:
Fiscality : in some countries, bballers don’t pay income tax, in others, teams will pay income tax for the player and in some, players must pay income tax on their salary.
Financially troubled teams : there are countries where announced salaries may be high but you may have great difficulties to get paid …
Social Security / Insurance : in some countries like France, as a pro bball player, you are entitled to social security like every French worker and an insurance is bound to the bball license in case of injury … in some countries, there are no social security and you must take a personal insurance for health coverage.
Rigths : in some countries, like France, as a pro player you’re considered as a common worker and can defend your rigths in front of a work tribunal in case of a disagreement with the team. In some others, you have no such rigths …
Contract : your contract can be guaranteed (even if you’re released, the team is supposed to pay you for the season) or « cut » (you can be released at anytime) …
Food, lodging, bringing your wife and your children … : these are things which depend on the countries and the teams …

You have some old info, sure guys like Justin Miller and so forth don’t make much money. They play on club teams basically supported by local sponsorship. The top leagues in Europe are professional and pay accordingly. That’s why is so important to get an invite to Portsmouth most of those Guys will get contracts in excess of 100K in some cases much more. I’d guess that Telfair ‘s brother never went to Portsmouth. Just because he played at Providence doesn’t automatically make him a good player, if he was a good player he would have played in one of the top European leagues not on a club team .Not to say you have to go to Portsmouth to get the big bucks, but if not you have to work your way up through the lower paying leagues. As for Amedio’s story yea it was about 7 or 8 years after Brown was out of Siena, at one time Brown was making 250K a year. As for MAAC level guys, what does that have to do with Pro ball? You have some guys that played D2 ball playing in the NBA, Playing in the MAAC has absolutely zero bearing on what you do in pro ball. Only a few MAAC players each year get invited to Portsmouth, I’d be willing to bet almost all MAAC players that have gone to Portsmouth are making a tidy living over seas, so yea its not NBA money but its not chicken feed either.

Going to Portsmouth is no guarantee of a top contract, but you certainly get the exposure and most of those guys coming out of Portsmouth make pretty decent money over sea’s. Its well known among D1 coaches and players that a trip to Portsmouth will get you a decent contract.

As for Burtt not sure what the deal is with him, the only other NBA camp is Orlando, where most of the top players are regardless of class (Portsmouth is just for college seniors) only a handful of the Portsmouth players will be invited to Orlando . No way Burtt is going to Orlando.

… Ever wonder why Prosper is playing in the Middle East

Foreign players boost basketball's popularity in Islamic Republic. ... American players are paid from $60000 to $200000 a year to elevate a sport that in ...
msnbc.msn.com/id/11261917/

Most Americans who play in Europe are provided the free use of an apartment and car, and some get meal allowances. Most of them have very little expenses, and the host club normally pays the players’ taxes in that country. Top stars can make more than $500,000 in countries such as Spain and Italy. Top Americans in Hungary can make nearly $100,000, while first-year Americans in countries such as Germany and Austria may have a salary around $40,000 a season.
http://www.xu.edu/magazine/sports.cfm


This about Former ST Rose player Garth Joseph ( who reportedly makes 200K a year)
American players are paid from $60,000 to $200,000 a year to elevate a sport that in Iran ranks in public popularity behind soccer, volleyball and wrestling, in that order. They are paid in dollars, which they must wire home through third countries because U.S. banks are prohibited by sanctions from doing business with Iran.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060213/news_lz1n13readthi.html



Dynamo Moscow's budget is estimated at between $13 million and $15 million this year, ProSport reported, with American guard Lynn Greer and Turkish forward Mirsad Turkcan each earning more than $1 million

http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=3165

here is a story about how much money European leagues are paying home grown talent, sometimes more than the NBA


http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1064


Bottom line is The top leagues in Europe pay decent cash.. not easy work and only a handful of MAAC players gett he money.. But the PIT is a step in that direction