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NEW YORK, Feb. 3 –- New Jersey Nets guard Jason Kidd, a seven-time NBA All-Star, and Shaquille O'Neal of the Los Angeles Lakers, selected to his 11th All-Star Game, headline today's announcement of the reserves for the 2004 NBA All-Star Game, to be played on Sunday, Feb. 15 at STAPLES Center in Los Angeles.



EASTERN CONFERENCE ALL-STARS
Head coach: Rick Carlisle (Indiana)

Ron Artest Indiana F - 1st Selection
*Vince Carter Toronto F - 5th Selection
Baron Davis New Orleans G- 2nd Selection
*Allen Iverson Philadelphia G - 5th Selection
Jason Kidd New Jersey G - 7th Selection
Jamaal Magloire New Orleans C - 1st Selection
Kenyon Martin New Jersey F - 1st Selection
*Tracy McGrady Orlando G/F - 4th Selection
*Jermaine O'Neal Indiana C/F - 3rd Selection
Paul Pierce Boston G/F - 3rd Selection
Michael Redd Milwaukee G - 1st Selection
*Ben Wallace Detroit C - 2nd Selection

WESTERN CONFERENCE ALL-STARS
Head coach: Flip Saunders (Minnesota)

Ray Allen Seattle G - 4th Selection
*Kobe Bryant L.A. Lakers G - 6th Selection
Sam Cassell Minnesota G - 1st Selection
*Tim Duncan San Antonio F - 6th Selection
*Steve Francis Houston G - 3rd Selection
*Kevin Garnett Minnesota F - 7th Selection
Andrei Kirilenko Utah F - 1st Selection
Brad Miller Sacramento C - 2nd Selection
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas F/C - 3rd Selection
Shaquille O'Neal L.A. Lakers C - 11th Selection
Peja Stojakovic Sacramento F - 3rd Selection
*Yao Ming Houston C 7-6 310 - 2nd Selection

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How the hell did Ray Allen make it despite missing like 25 games over Antoine Walker?
 

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Originally posted by <b>peleincubus</b>!
i want to know how steve francis made it over anybody. and i do mean anybody.
Fan voting isn't supposed to be logical.
 

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How the hell did Ray Allen make it despite missing like 25 games over Antoine Walker?
Ray Ray is a guard, Antoine is a Forward, Forward spots were taken... too many good forwards in the West and not too many guards These examples are in no particular order

Example:
All Star Caliber guards:
1.Kobe
2.Ray Ray
3.Finley (whos just started to come on but was cold most of the season)
4.Bibby
5.Payton

All Star Caliber Forwards:
1.Peja
2.KG
3.Duncan
4.Nowitzki
5.Kirelenko
6.Carmello
7.Sprewell(Forward/Guard)
8.Randolph
9.Pau
10.Brand

And i may have missed one or two...
 

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Originally posted by <b>SacKings384</b>!
7.Sprewell(Forward/Guard)
If that were try, won't it had been logical he made it over Allen? He is having a very good season, has played much more then Allen, and his team is steamrolling right now.

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Spre isnt the best player on the team, hes not even second best, hes not one of the main reasons that the Wolves are playing so well right now... Ray Ray however, is the best player on the team and the reason the Sonics are winning...
 

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Originally posted by <b>Jemel Irief</b>!
How the hell did Ray Allen make it despite missing like 25 games over Antoine Walker?

because ray is better.
 

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Originally posted by <b>bballer27</b>!



because ray is better.
hes better this season even if he missed half the year...twan has been very productive and sucessful....
 

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Ray is having a fantastic season, he deserves it more than Walker.
 

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Originally posted by <b>SacKings384</b>!
Spre isnt the best player on the team, hes not even second best, hes not one of the main reasons that the Wolves are playing so well right now... Ray Ray however, is the best player on the team and the reason the Sonics are winning...
According to your guard list, you have Payton listed as 5th. No mention of Sprewell. Well is Payton the 2nd best, 3rd best or is he the 4th best player on his team? What does how many other good players you have on your team matter? I think to alot of people, the thinking is, if they deserve to go, they deserve to go, they shouldn't be held back because you already have 2 teammates on the All-Star Roster.

In terms of winning. As a fan of the team in the west, you gotta know the Wolves have been winning for longer then since just when Allen returned. They been doing it all year.

-Petey
 

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O btw, the guard thing was in no particular oder, i was just making it easier so people didnt have to go name by name counting how many forwads and gaurds there were...
 

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Latrell didnt play good enough to make it, simple as that, Ray is better than Spre, he only averages 1 more point than Bibby and Bibby has assists too boot... Finley would deserve it more than Latrell, as would Payton...and if u put Latrell at F, hes definitely not even close...
 

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Originally posted by <b>SacKings384</b>!
Latrell didnt play good enough to make it, simple as that, Ray is better than Spre, he only averages 1 more point than Bibby and Bibby has assists too boot... Finley would deserve it more than Latrell, as would Payton...and if u put Latrell at F, hes definitely not even close...
He averages a point more then Bibby, ONLY 2 assists less then Bibby whom is a PG, and averages more steal(s) and rebounds per game. I think he would be more deserving then Bibby. I'm a Finley fan, even though his stats are at lows over the last 7 years, I think he deserves to go more then Allen.

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Originally posted by <b>Damian Necronamous</b>!
Ray is having a fantastic season, he deserves it more than Walker.
Explain yourself, he is not having a better season in 20 games than Walker is in 45.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Jemel Irief</b>!
Explain yourself, he is not having a better season in 20 games than Walker is in 45.
I agree. Look where he ranks statistically:

Ranks #14 in Rebounds Per Game(9.2)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(5.4)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Double-doubles(20.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(2.0)

He has changed his game to fit in better with his team, and his stats have shown that. He is more deserving than Allen this year.
 

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Whatever the reason, Allen certainly doesn't deserve the All Star reserve slot. Maybe they picked him because he is a nice guy.
 

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Whatever the reason, Allen certainly doesn't deserve the All Star reserve slot. Maybe they picked him because he is a nice guy.
Then who is it that should take his spot
 

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Steve Nash nor Michael Finley have played all-star caliber basketball until recently, a big reason for the early Dallas struggles, were that the big 3 were struggling, (Nowitzki shouldnt have made it, Brand should have imo) and Finley and Nash were a big part of their comeback, but also their struggles...
 
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