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I select your #1, as I think Wang wants to become as good as he can be.
 

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I think it is a good question, but doesn't depend on your options that you've got listed.

What it comes down to is money vs production for the Mavericks. Last year he backed up three positions and played decently well and yes, he did seem to be improving.

However, with the Mavericks taking on and signing more LT contracts by the second, first in Raef, then going after Rashard, I don't think Wang is needed. If they were to keep any of their free agents, they should keep Najera.

First, the Mavericks are a great offensive team, but very sub-par when it comes to defense. They need more quality defensive players to come off the bench for them, not more offense-minded players, which Wang defintely is.

Since they paid Raef, the center position is now a lock. Bradley and Raef are taking the 48 minutes there. At the PF slot, you have Dirk, who is going to get his 35mpg. That leaves about 13mpg there to dish out to other players. At the SF slot, if Dallas lands Rashard, they will also have 13mpg there.

I think those 26 minutes should be occupied by guys who can come in and provide some D, because Dallas will always have a couple scorers on the floor.

Maybe they can sign and trade Wang to a team, maybe the Spurs, for a defensive stopped like Bruce Bowen or to the Blazers for a nice, defensive minded player in Ruben Patterson. That's just my take.
 

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I think he'll end up on some other team, as well. Signing Raef to a long term contract virtually assures that there are not any minutes left over for Wang.

I still don't understand the Mavs wanting to go after Lewis either, as he and Dirk play the same positions.

I think the Mavs need to start taking the roster they have and shore up their defense, which is wanting. If they hired a defensive guru to spend some time on rotations and positioning alone, it would help this team more than signing any other offensive minded player.
 

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Mavs should trade Wang & TAW to Golden State for D. Fortson and some filler--probably Sura. Although I'd like it to be Wang, TAW & Sekularic for Fortson & Jiri Welsch.

Both teams get rid of a player & contract they don't want. Mavs get rid of TAW and the Warriors get rid of Fortson. Both four year contracts and very close to the same amount.

Mavs can use Fortson for defense and rebounding, and Golden State seems to want Wang. The other players are primarily filler.

What do you think?
 

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Originally posted by SeriousSummer
Mavs should trade Wang & TAW to Golden State for D. Fortson and some filler--probably Sura. Although I'd like it to be Wang, TAW & Sekularic for Fortson & Jiri Welsch.

Both teams get rid of a player & contract they don't want. Mavs get rid of TAW and the Warriors get rid of Fortson. Both four year contracts and very close to the same amount.

Mavs can use Fortson for defense and rebounding, and Golden State seems to want Wang. The other players are primarily filler.

What do you think?
What do I think? I think you have the right idea in getting someone who is defensive minded in a trade, but what you and I may want doesn't count, sad to say. Only Cuban can take his team to where the fans what it to go - to the championship series and win it all. But you , and I, and most knowledgeable fans know that defense is what it takes and Cuban has to make that commitment, as well as the coaches & players.
 

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Wow, that is actually an awesome deal that I think Cuban could very well jump at... but do you think Golden State would take on AW's contract?

They've already had to suffer several years living on the Dampier, Sura and Foyle deals.
 

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As much I like Wang. I don't think we should keep him. We don't have the minutes we want. And yes, its complicating with China. So I think that if Wang wanted more minutes and get somewhere, it would with another team...perhaps Golden State.
 

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I see no potential in Wang or Ming for that matter. The style of Basketball is to different. Ming will have a bettr career than Wang just because of his hieght. But bieng tall and soft only gets you different versions of Shawn Bradley and if your still waiting for him to become a star you are the most optimistic person in the world. Racial unity is great and the rainbow coalition is proud but lets get a real big man down low.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Dragnsmke1</b>!
I see no potential in Wang or Ming for that matter. The style of Basketball is to different. Ming will have a bettr career than Wang just because of his hieght. But bieng tall and soft only gets you different versions of Shawn Bradley and if your still waiting for him to become a star you are the most optimistic person in the world. Racial unity is great and the rainbow coalition is proud but lets get a real big man down low.
Why are you being so critical about Chinese players? I think Wang did a great job in his 2nd season with the Mavs, he's shooting better than almost anyone in the L (above 40% 3pt) he is young and is only getting better!! All he needs is playing time, and I dont see what the style of basketball has to do with a player's potetntial. He might be tall and soft, but he showed last year that he's able to score in different ways. Big players dont neccessarily have to score in the low post as long as they can score from the outside, look at nowitzki... he gets his points mostly from outside shots, so why aren't you picking on him instead? Obviously your opinion on Wang is biased. Why's Ming brought into this conversation anyway? let me guess.... because he's Chinese?? This thread is only about Wang, so why do you have to show so much hatred towards Chinese basketball players?? Saying Ming will have a better career than Wang just because of his height, its like saying that Bradley would have a better career than lafrentz, which is plain stupid. Obviously Wang's career will never flourish with the mavs as they are stacked at the C spot, but when Wang can get more PT from joining another team and gets to show his stuff, youll have to eat your words.
 

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1st Of all I am not biased against Chinese players. Wang would be good at a sf spot on some team that needed a shooter that could not create his own shot. Wang does not have the instinct of an North American center. He his a finese player. The center spot in the nba (if you want to win championships) is a warriors spot. As an avis Mavericks fan who watched about 55 games this year, I am making a judgement on the play I saw from him. BE REAL,if he was really that good (as a center)he would have gotten more playing time. Im not saying Wang and Ming cant shoot but Who wants a center who always opts for the 3 pointer? You want a center who can bang down low. This they cant do because that is not the mentality of the CBA. Look @ how Ming was Dominated by that 6'6" guy.

And Dirk is willing to get in the mix down low which is why he can get open looks from the perimeter. And plus he plays small forward most of the time he doesnt have to go down low.

And if you think the Mavs are stacked at the center position you are sadly mistaken. We have one center, LaFrentz, he can (1.)play DOWN LOW, (2.) shoot.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Dragnsmke1</b>!
I see no potential in Wang or Ming for that matter. The style of Basketball is to different. Ming will have a bettr career than Wang just because of his hieght. But bieng tall and soft only gets you different versions of Shawn Bradley and if your still waiting for him to become a star you are the most optimistic person in the world. Racial unity is great and the rainbow coalition is proud but lets get a real big man down low.
How did you know Ming or even Wang couldn't post in the future???:eek:
 

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The day Shaq, Wallace( all of them), Zo, Keem, Ewing, MIller, and 40 other people let themseves get backed down by some one a LOT weaker then them will be the day...I cant even think of an anology good enough. Seriously who wants to be the established NBA center or Pf who is the 1st to get dominated by pure shooters in the low post?
 

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Originally posted by <b>Dragnsmke1</b>!
The day Shaq, Wallace( all of them), Zo, Keem, Ewing, MIller, and 40 other people let themseves get backed down by some one a LOT weaker then them will be the day...I cant even think of an anology good enough. Seriously who wants to be the established NBA center or Pf who is the 1st to get dominated by pure shooters in the low post?
So did you watch the US-China Exhibition game?

The fact is: Yao Ming is NOT that weak (as what you thought he is), he can bang inside, and he blocked 6 shots too!!!
 

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A Wang Zhi Zhi trade...

Hakeem Olajuwon, Eric Montross, Michael Stewart, and Mamadou N'Dyaiae to the Mavs; Wang Zhi Zhi, Shawn Bradley, and Avery Johnson to the Raptors

Toronto would do it because it would shave $1.7 mil off the payroll and therefore GUARANTEE that the Raptors WOULD NOT get hit with the dreaded luxury tax next season. Toronto doesn't want Hakeem anymore, either, and they'd probably be willing to give Wang 20-25 minutes/game to see what he could do. Hell, I think Wang would START up in Toronto if this trade happened.

Mark Cuban would obviously do it. If Hakeem can be healthy for the playoffs, seriously who would you rather have out there at center vs. the Lakers or the Spurs or the Kings, Hakeem Olajuwon or Wang Zhi Zhi? Hakeem could finish out the final two seasons of his career as a defensive specialist for a championship contender, which beats the hell out of finishing his career for a .500 team that doesn't even really want him around anymore!

Dallas AIN'T gonna be able to get Alonzo Mourning, so it's looking like Hakeem is the best center that Mark Cuban is going to be able to get. DO THE DEAL, DALLAS!

What do you fellers think about this proposed trade?
 

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Originally posted by <b>Dragnsmke1</b>!
lets get a real big man down low.
So who do you suggest we go after? The only big man on the market is Kandi, and he's a Restricted Free Agent. Dallas will have to pay him more than 4.5 million to get him (he wants a max contract which he's not worth). Since Dallas is already over the cap they can not give him more than 4.5 million even if they wanted to.

I think you guys are also forgetting that in order for a trade to work Dallas has to take back en equal amount of salaries as they give up. That's why a resigned Wang+TAW for Fortson, and Sura won't work. TAW makes WAY too much money. Wang+Avery Johnson for Fortson+Sura would work though.

Personally I'd like to see Wang stay I just don't think it's going to happen.

How about a resigned Wang for Melvin Ely who is yet unsigned in LA? That might work.
 
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