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go look at it, Arron Miles, Kieth Langford, and Wayne simien aren't even in it.
 

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So?

That doesn't mean that whoever made the mock thinks they're not good enough. Some players actually stay four years.
 

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thats three players all of whom were some of THE best freshman of last year, plus the mock draft should be made assuming any players that could enter the draft their jr. year would. All of those players could end up being lottery picks.
 

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This is my thought

I can see why Langford is not on it, he needs to improve on his jump shot and defensive quickness. Simen also needs to improve on his defense and offensive game. And for Miles he just needs to get stronger and prove he can run a team without a three guard offense where every one is 6-4 or under.

They probably will be on that mock before or after the season starts though. Miles will be but I don't think Langford or Simen will, they still need to show some things.

And just to ask you would you take Miles over Felton, Sebastian or Bozeman? Would you take Langford over Baubour, Muhammed, Sato, Robinson, and Thompson? Would you take Simen over Bosh, Frye, Rickert, Davis, and Fraser?

To be honest I wouldn't........

P.S. They got Rick Rickert right on!!!!!!!
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They only question I have with the Mock is Bosh at #2, I don't know if he is that talented yet? And I don't think if Sebastian Telfair goes out he will be drafted that damn low! I know if he goes out he will be the only high school PG to ever do so and be drafted in the lottery. But I don't think teams would pass on his HUGE up side if they could get him. Some sweet prospect though, I really like Muhammed from Georgia Tech!:grinning:
 

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Personally I think it is way too early to put up a 2004 mock draft. But I do agree with you Bosh is too high as of now. I also think that Sabastian Telfair will be top 5ive. Cedric Bozeman will be top 10. Romain Sato and Antwain Barbour will be first round.
 

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He won't be ready to go to the NBA. Right now, he is like 140lbs at best. He better get a lot bigger and stronger if he wants to make the jump. Being so small and a PG, I think he will go to college. H.S. points just aren't ready.......
 

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Yeah you are right, that is why there has not ever been a high school PG drafted in the first round I believe. Because PG's need game experience, and need to show they can lead a team. But if Sebastian did come out teams would pick him and develop him, no mater what size he is. Way to much talent to pass up, I don't think he would ever drop out of the lottery.
 

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Originally posted by KC
He won't be ready to go to the NBA. Right now, he is like 140lbs at best. He better get a lot bigger and stronger if he wants to make the jump. Being so small and a PG, I think he will go to college. H.S. points just aren't ready.......
Well you dont judge the players by what they are right now. He's got 2 years to get bigger, and he certainly will. He'll never be huge, but he'll be big enough.

And you could easily make the argument that PG's can make a bigger impact immediately than big men can.

PG's is a less physically demanding position than the big man spots are obviously. Part of the reason guys take so long is cuz they need to let their body develop to add more strength to bang. Obviously, PG's don't need that.

They'll need time to improve their skills, but physically, they are more ready to play than the likes of Chandler, Brown, and Miles.
They aren't going to walk into a starting job or playing extraordinary right away, but I believe they could be more ready to play physically than the big men in the past.
 

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PG is not easier to play straight out of HS. It is probably the hardest position to play. At the HS level, you cannot even begin to grasp what it takes to lead a team. Especially in todays day and age, playing on an AAU team which is more about High-flying dunks and throwing lobs, or breaking someone's ankles than learning fundamentals and learning the basics of what you need to know to run a pro offense....... Bigger guys can get by on athleticism, but at the PG position that will be difficult to do when you are a penetrating guard like Telfair.

In order for Sebastian to get stronger, he needs to take the initiative and lift some weights...... He has 2 years to do it, but strength is not the only aspect of the game for PG coming out of HS.....
 

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Sebastian Telfair should definitly go to college, unless he plans on gaining another 30 pounds of muscle mass at least before next years draft. Ozzy, you have a great point, as for most of the players you mentioned, i would take them over simien and langford. But next to telfair, I really think Miles is the next best point guard.
 

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Aggg, sorry sime, i accidently pressed "edit" instead of "quote" I tried to fix the post though, sorry about that.


But anyway, you do have a good point, it just pisses me off that the supa three aren't in it!

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Originally posted by KC
PG is not easier to play straight out of HS. It is probably the hardest position to play.
No position is easy to play out of HS.

But, certain positions are better to play immediately than others.

Big men can't play right away because their bodies are not mature enough to bang down low against grown men.

PG's do not bang. The size factor is not an issue(unless you're like Earl Boykins).
A guy can come in and play immediately just on pure ability because he doesn't have to worry about the banging or his body developing as much as big men do.

The PG position is FAR less physically demanding than a PF or C. There is no denying that. You dont have to be huge or strong, and don't have to bang. So you can play right away, based solely on talent.

Im not saying Telfair is going to be a star or a starter immediately. He's going to take a couple years just like any other player. BUT, I believe he(or any PG of the same quality who jumps from HS to the pro's) could come in and play quicker than a big man can.
 

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Did you read my post? You ignored everything I said..... Telfair isn't even close to being ready mentally to run an offense in the NBA. Physically, his best asset which is his driving ability, will be limited in the pros until he is able to add strength to that scrawny frame.

He could come out, but he should go to college IMO....
 

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I completely disagree RD

Look at Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown. Both of those guys were physically big enough to bang with NBA players. Neither one did much in their first years. Tyson Chandler is probably big enough as well. I would say that being a post player would be an easier transition from highschool to the pro's, because a lot of what you do is basically physical, play post defense and get rebounds. The scoring comes later as you get used to the speed of the game. But as a pointguard the game is all mental. If Telfair was to come out he'd have to go against guys like Payton, Kidd, and guys who've been in the league for years and know how to play. The speed of the game is so much faster than in highschool, and making quick decisions with the ball will be much harder. That's why all the players who've come out have been wing players or post players, and never a pointguard. Most pointguards who succeed go to college for at least two years. Name one who didn't.
 
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