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This topic is long overdue as a separate A10 MB thread.

While I expect most posts on this thread to be about games involving A10 teams (who will soon start playing each other), this thread is not limited to A10 teams. However, it is limited to college basketball games and bad officiating thereof.

My compliments to Jeff Eisenberg, whose Dagger will tip off this thread:




Officiating Blunder Causes UConn to Attack the Wrong Basket in Overtime (Jeff Eisenberg - January 2, 2013)




Referees had UConn and Marquette line up the wrong way to start overtime.


When Junior Cadougan buried a deep 3-pointer at the end of regulation to send Tuesday night's Big East game between Marquette and UConn to overtime, he didn't just propel the Golden Eagles to an 82-76 win.

He also paved the way for one of the more unlikely officiating gaffes of the college hoops season.

Referees allowed Marquette and UConn to face the wrong baskets for the opening tipoff of overtime, which resulted in Shabazz Napier attempting a layup on the incorrect goal and Golden Eagles defender Jamil Wilson goaltending in an effort to block it.

Only after the possession was over did the referees realize their mistake, stop play and confer for several minutes in an effort to figure out how to handle the unusual situation.

What they decided was to wipe out the two points UConn would have received because it's not possible to goaltend on your own basket and to award the ball to Marquette since the possession arrow favored the Golden Eagles. Based on a close examination of the NCAA rulebook, however, that wasn't the appropriate ruling.

According to Rule 5, Section 1, Article 3: "When the official(s) permits a team to go in the wrong direction, and when the error is discovered all activity and time consumed shall count as though each team had gone in the proper direction. Play shall be resumed with each team going in the proper direction."

Big East coordinator of officiating Art Hyland acknowledged via email late Tuesday night that the officials erred nullifying the goaltending call and taking two points from UConn.

Said Hyland, "The ruling of the officials would have been correct if the same play had happened because of player confusion and not because of the officials lining them up in the wrong direction."

Marquette entered the game a 5.5-point favorite. Thanks in part to the disallowed basket, the Golden Eagles' margin was six.

 

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Surprising the Refs got this wrong. It makes total sense to keep all score and time in the record books when play was done in good faith. Both teams were affected equally so they should have just stopped play, and pointed teams in proper directions for the remainder of the OT period and leave score and clock alone.
 

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I used to think A-10 officiating was bad. Then I moved to the west coast.

My God. I could pull three guys off the streets of Philadelphia, put them in stripes and they'd be the best three officials in the WAC, Big Sky, Big West or WCC.
 

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My God. I could pull three guys off the streets of Philadelphia, put them in stripes and they'd be the best three officials in the WAC, Big Sky, Big West or WCC.
The refs in the WAC ARE all from Philadelphia. They moved out there for the new pot laws.
 

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Speaking of Philly, one of Temple's least favorite officials, Karl Hess, was one of the 3 confused mice...

Mike Stuart, Karl Hess, Michael Stephens
 

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Did Officials Botch Buffaloes’ Upset Bid at Arizona? (Kyle Ringo, The Dagger - January 4, 2013)




Colorado's Sabatino Chen's bank shot buzzer beater doesn't count against Arizona. (YouTube - January 3, 2013)

Sabatino Chen, the only senior on the Colorado basketball team, appeared to bank in a buzzer-beating game winning 3-pointer against No. 3 Arizona but it was waived off by officials after a lengthy study of replays and the Wildcats went on to win 92-83 in overtime.

Arizona remained one of only four unbeaten teams in the nation and avenged a loss to the Buffaloes in the Pac-12 Conference tournament championship game last season by overcoming a 17-point deficit to win.

But this Arizona comeback, unlike similar wins earlier this season over Florida and San Diego State, comes with an asterisk because replays from the side angle seemed to show the ball out of Chen's hand with 0.1 second left on the clock. Apparently officials thought the tip of one of Chen's fingers was still touching the ball.

"If it's the wrong call, I'm really, really sick to my stomach because we had guys in this locker room that deserved to win that game," Colorado coach Tad Boyle told reporters.


Arizona once again turned to Xavier transfer Mark Lyons to lead it to victory.

Lyons scored a season-best 24 points and led the charge by making key plays defensively and hitting all 10 of his free throw attempts to give the Wildcats their third cardiac comeback victory of the year. Two of those free throws tied the game at 80 with less than 10 seconds remaining and preceded Chen's shot.


Tad Boyle Wants End to Replay (Andy Katz, ESPN - January 4, 2013)

 

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replays from the side angle seemed to show the ball out of Chen's hand with 0.1 second left on the clock.
"Seemed" being the operative word. I don't think the replays were as conclusive as some said they were.

The announcers said that the referees did not make a signal when it went in. I thought I had heard during highlights that they had said it counted initially which would make the overturn egregious b/c the replay is mostly inconclusive in my view. If they truly did not signal, then I think they made the right call after review b/c as I said, the video seems inconclusive.
 

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need to get HD monitors for all games shown in HD

also the only thing officials are allowed to use are the red lights on the backboard not the clock (there are several images showing the ball out of his hand with 0.01 on the clock but if you look at the backboard the lights are on)
 

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I thought it was conclusive when I saw the replay from the side view of the court in slo-mo last night. I think Colorado got screwed.
What size video screen were you viewing it on? Did you see the size of the screen the referees where using?

Either way, I thought it was a little blurry and also felt, as twisted point out, that when the red lights go on it is unclear if the ball had completely left his fingertips.
 

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I hear Reggie Greenwood is offering these 3 officials from the Arizona game jobs in the A10.

The 3 officials that made the replay call - Verne Harris, James Breeding, Randy Mccall
:sigh:
 

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Imagine that, a thread whining about officiating started by a Dayton fan.

The Charlotte Loss (Shannon Russell, Cincinnati Enquirer - January 23, 2013)

It’s amazing Xavier’s 63-57 defeat by Charlotte at Halton Arena didn’t take longer to play considering the 27 fouls the Musketeers racked up. Charlotte finished with 15 – a pretty big disparity, especially when you look at the free-throw count. XU was 4-for-9 and Charlotte was 14-for-29.

“(The fouls) disrupted it a lot but it’s basketball at the end of the day,” freshman guard Semaj Christon said. “Some refs let us play tough, some refs don’t. We’ve just got to adjust to it, and we adjusted too late.”

The Musketeers trailed by one point at the half and were outscored 35-30 after the break. They fell behind by as many as 10 with 8:18 to play before Brad Redford scored his lone 3-pointer and Travis Taylor followed with a lay-up.

Then they went 4:42 without another field goal.

It didn’t help that Taylor, Jeff Robinson, and Semaj Christon all fouled out down the stretch.

 

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Xavier might lack discipline but considering the physical nature of defense that Charlotte plays, that foul disparity is pretty hilarious.
 

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Xavier might lack discipline but considering the physical nature of defense that Charlotte plays, that foul disparity is pretty hilarious.
It won't be as hilarious when we have to play them down there. We enjoy a similar advantage at home and it'll be interesting to see how we approach a similar situation on the road.
 

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Xavier might lack discipline but considering the physical nature of defense that Charlotte plays, that foul disparity is pretty hilarious.


Call it what you want but that's far from why Xavier loss the game. Xavier was 25-68 from and 3-12 from 3. Charlotte was 22-44 from 2 and 5-16 from 3. We even missed 14 free throws

Poor shooting and the lack of a strategy to find a 3rd scoring option is what loss them the game, blaming the refs for this game is just lazy analysis.
 

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It won't be as hilarious when we have to play them down there. We enjoy a similar advantage at home and it'll be interesting to see how we approach a similar situation on the road.
DB, I agree fully. We absolutely get away with a lot at home, but it is rare that we have a disparity like that. We most certainly get called for less fouls and typically shoot more free throws, but 29-9 is pretty tough!
 

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Call it what you want but that's far from why Xavier loss the game. Xavier was 25-68 from and 3-12 from 3. Charlotte was 22-44 from 2 and 5-16 from 3. We even missed 14 free throws

Poor shooting and the lack of a strategy to find a 3rd scoring option is what loss them the game, blaming the refs for this game is just lazy analysis.
Obviously fouls aren't the only reason Xavier lost,obviously Charlotte is good defensively, but to say it wasn't a factor is not true.

Xavier - 4pts from FT Charlotte - 14pts from FT

Xavier had 3 players foul out and 2 with 4 fouls. Charlotte had only 1 player with more than 2 fouls. That is one hell of a home court advantage.

6 point win with a 20ft difference and 12 foul difference isn't all just great defense.

However, congrats on the win and we'll see you in a few weeks.
 
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