Higer... but not much (in general). Only position were age seems to play big factor is pg. There are some exceptions but usually pg who are over 32 don't start... And big guys prime seems last longer. They may lose some quickness but they gain experience and polish theyre skills over the time to make it up.
The Decline Age
Looking at that one thread about the all age teams got me thinking about this. I know it's different for every player, but on average when do you think the decline age is? Or, what age do you think players start their career decline? Is 30 that magic number? Or do you think it's a little higer?
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yeah, I really think it has something to do with the positions of the players, pointguards always runs a lot and set up plays, thats why they give up more energy than Big men who just stay inside and wait for the ball
there seems to be a be decline at 30 , but reality comes true after 32 ..
Jason kidd turns 33 tomorrow, i bet he'll start for a while, but in general id say your right.Banjoriddim said:Higer... but not much (in general). Only position were age seems to play big factor is pg. There are some exceptions but usually pg who are over 32 don't start... And big guys prime seems last longer. They may lose some quickness but they gain experience and polish theyre skills over the time to make it up.
Sam Cassell never declines, neither did Stockton. It has a lot to do with playing style.
Playing in the post is ALOT more than just standing there.ballistixxx said:yeah, I really think it has something to do with the positions of the players, pointguards always runs a lot and set up plays, thats why they give up more energy than Big men who just stay inside and wait for the ball
The gaurd positions usually tend to decline in the mid-upper 30's+ whereas the Big men, aka centers maintain their presesnce, but usually tend of have knee problems as well
There are no decline ages.(Zo)
Depends on position and playing style. Bigger guys like centers tend to go faster. True point guards like Stockton and Nash tend to last longer. The more you rely on athleticism, the faster you'll go unless you start playing with your head instead of your hops.
not true , look at jordan , malone and stockton they were still in their primes when they were in their mid- thirtiesnotting_hill said:there seems to be a be decline at 30 , but reality comes true after 32 ..
I always wonder when someone like Lebron will decline, as it's kind of uncharted territory.
Right now he carries all that weight ~250lbs with no problems. But playing such a perimeter style at that size with all the leaping and minutes he plays (since the age of 19) could expedite his physical decline.
He will almost certainly have to adapt to a more lowpost, PF style game later in his career.
Right now he carries all that weight ~250lbs with no problems. But playing such a perimeter style at that size with all the leaping and minutes he plays (since the age of 19) could expedite his physical decline.
He will almost certainly have to adapt to a more lowpost, PF style game later in his career.
Basketball, ultimately, is a finesse game. Cassell and Stockton last(ed) so long because they play a very solid and effective game that relies on skill and knowledge of the game. Of course they aren't the only exceptions, but in general if most of a player's effectiveness is in his atheleticism, expect him to be out of the L by 32-33, sooner depending on size.WTChan said:Sam Cassell never declines, neither did Stockton. It has a lot to do with playing style.
They may have been near their primes, but even those legends were in decline by 31. They decline slowly and were just at such a high level that they still dominated.mr.ankle20 said:not true , look at jordan , malone and stockton they were still in their primes when they were in their mid- thirties
Malone age 26: 31.0 ppg, 11.1 rbg
Malone age 32: 25.7 ppg, 9.8 rbg
Jordan age 26: 33.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.3 apg
Jordan age 32: 30.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.3 apg
They were still good enough to make 1st team all NBA, win MVPs, etc., but I think it's pretty obvious that they did decline post 30 and never matched their prime stats from their mid-late 20s.
The guy I wonder about is Dwayne Wade, as skilled as he is, alot of his game is based completely on his athletecism right now. I wonder how he's going to be after 30.
The thing is, their is no real standard for this. Allen Iverson doesn't seem to be slowing down, and he's taken such a pounding you would of thought he would of slowed down after 30.
I disagree on point guards falling off faster, look at Kidd/Nash/Stockton, even Gary Payton was a 20/8 guy just 3 years ago. If you get accustomed to a system and a style of play you can play at a high level for a long time.
The thing is, their is no real standard for this. Allen Iverson doesn't seem to be slowing down, and he's taken such a pounding you would of thought he would of slowed down after 30.
I disagree on point guards falling off faster, look at Kidd/Nash/Stockton, even Gary Payton was a 20/8 guy just 3 years ago. If you get accustomed to a system and a style of play you can play at a high level for a long time.
Big men do way more than stand there and wait for the ball. They are constantly fighting for position/getting beat up/rebounding. They also have to run the entire length of the floor to get down low. Most PG only have to go from 3pt line to 3pt line alot of the time.ballistixxx said:yeah, I really think it has something to do with the positions of the players, pointguards always runs a lot and set up plays, thats why they give up more energy than Big men who just stay inside and wait for the ball
Actually, if you look you will realize that is a ridiculous assetion.mr.ankle20 said:not true , look at jordan , malone and stockton they were still in their primes when they were in their mid- thirties
They were still better than most players; they were still all-stars; but they were not the players they were at 29. In fact, once in a lifetime players often peak early; Jordan, Gretzky - their most prolific years were around age 24. You can certainly argue that they become better overall players after their scoring peaks. But by 30, they have BEGUN to decline.
30 is the decline age. Very few players violate this rule. But performance over age is a bell curve, and the top is quite flat. A players season at 30, 31 even 32 may be very close to 28, 29. But almost always, a little weaker. The decline rate increases into the mid-30s, and becomes a cliff for most players in the late 30s.
Exceptional superstars reach that level younger, and maintain it later. Yet even then, you will find most of them have their best year(s) no earlier than 27, nor later than 30.
There are exceptions. IIRC, Hakeem peaked at 31. Lesser players sometimes have a career year younger or older because they are given the opportunity (playing time/role) at that time, and not during their athletic prime. But overall, if you spend some time looking at career stats, it is remarkable how often the pattern repeats itself.
Interestingly, certain skills in different sports peak slightly off the norm. Rebounding in basketball tends to peak early, at least for post players, and often starts declining by 27. PPG scoring tends to peak a little early, APG tends to peak late (savvy). In baseball, hitting for average tends to peak early, while home run hitting peaks late.
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