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When people say he's had a disappointing season, they are clearly referring to his shooting, since his rebounding isn't that different and his scoring average is up.
This is an interesting statement that I've failed to realize at certain points. Why are we so incredibly disappointed? Is it because of the way Eddy finished the season last year? Or is it his lack of defensive fire? Or do we just need another scapegoat for another wasted season in Chicago? Not saying Eddy is not at fault, but what for exactly?

BTW, article is an interesting read, but in the end it tells you nothing. To summarize, Eddy's season last year might or might not have been a fluke.
 

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I can take a dump in a sack and call it an article, too. GB, I have to question your true intentions here... it seems like you will stop at nothing to smear Eddy through the dirt.

The simple fact that the person solely looked at percentages and not the shot attempts destroys any and all points he was trying to make.

Shaquille is shooting 56.3% this season where Eddy is right now at 50.9%. Both Shaquille and Eddy have shot almost the same number of attempts (435 to 434) whereas Shaq has hit 245 shots to Eddy's 221.

At the beginning of the season, Eddy was having troubles finding his shot, taking the right shot and was being delivered the ball at places that were not his optimal shots. I have no doubt in my mind that had Eddy not had these problems, he would be sitting right next to Shaq, probably somewhere right around 54 to 56%... there is no question in my mind.

His most notable bad shooting games from the first half...

10/29 vs. Wiz - 3-10
11/03 vs. Rockets - 0-8
11/13 vs. Timberwolves - 4-12
12/04 vs. Sixers - 3-9
12/08 vs. Spurs - 4-10
01/09 vs. Blazers - 1-9
01/13 vs. Pistons - 0-3
01/19 vs. Wiz - 4-10
01/27 vs. Clippers - 3-10
01/30 vs. Warriors - 3-9

In those 10 games above, Eddy shot 25 for 90, or just a shade under 28%. Had Eddy shot just 50%, or 45 for 90, he would be sitting at 241 of 434, or 55.5%, right on the heels of Shaq.

So which Eddy is indicitive? 10 of 44 games which he shot poorly, or the other 34 games when he shot damn near lights out? Simply math says 34 > 10, but hey, I'm not statistical smartiepants.

Bottom line, expecting Eddy to shooting 58% is probably one of the most moronic expectations I have ever heard of. However, as Eddy matures, develops his game and gets proper ref respect, there is no doubt in my mind that Eddy can be a consistent 55%+ FG shooter.
 

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Just to further illustrate my point, although I really don't have one...

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersFGPQuery.html

1. Artis Gilmore 5,732 9,570 .599
2. Mark West 2,528 4,356 .580
3. Shaquille O'Neal 8,361 14,507 .576
4. Steve Johnson 2,841 4,965 .572
4. Darryl Dawkins 3,477 6,079 .572
6. James Donaldson 3,105 5,442 .571
7. Jeff Ruland 2,105 3,734 .564
8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15,837 28,307 .559
9. Kevin McHale 6,830 12,334 .554
10. Bobby Jones 3,412 6,199 .550
11. Buck Williams 6,404 11,661 .549
12. Larry Nance 6,370 11,664 .546
12. Otis Thorpe 6,872 12,593 .546
12. Cedric Maxwell 3,433 6,293 .546
15. Charles Barkley 8,435 15,605 .541
16. Adrian Dantley 8,169 15,121 .540
16. Wilt Chamberlain 12,681 23,497 .540
18. Gene Banks 2,134 3,961 .539
19. Eddy Curry 745 1,384 .538
20. Swen Nater 2,432 4,528 .537
20. Robert Parish 9,614 17,914 .537
22. Dale Davis 3,412 6,387 .534
23. Brad Daugherty 3,823 7,189 .532
24. Larry Smith 2,519 4,743 .531
25. Calvin Natt 4,003 7,580 .528
26. Bill Cartwright 4,656 8,868 .525
27. Kiki Vandeweghe 6,139 11,699 .525
28. Alonzo Mourning 4,538 8,654 .524
29. Clifford Ray 2,333 4,450 .524
30. Lewis Lloyd 2,172 4,144 .524
31. Maurice Cheeks 4,906 9,374 .523

Pretty impressive company. Granted, Eddy does not have enough attempts to qualify him for the All Time FG Percentage list yet, but according to his career numbers, Eddy would right now be in 19th position on the list.

People seriously need to get off the back of this kid and let him have a chance to grow up. He ALREADY brings more to the table then anyone recognizes or gives him credit for.

But hey, I'm sure we can get Caron "Felony" Butler and a pick for him... so lets do it!
 

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Originally posted by <b>RetroDreams</b>!
GB, I have to question your true intentions here...
Just from posting a article without any commentary?


Gimme a break retro. I thought it was vague (which is why I had no comment) but that the stats heads on the board would enjoy reading it.
 

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Originally posted by <b>GB</b>!


Just from posting a article without any commentary?


Gimme a break retro. I thought it was vague (which is why I had no comment) but that the stats heads on the board would enjoy reading it.
Just a little odd that all of your stuff has had a negative slant at Eddy. You tend to get stuck on a certain player... a la your Jamal postings a month back, etc.
 

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Originally posted by <b>RetroDreams</b>!


Just a little odd that all of your stuff has had a negative slant at Eddy. You tend to get stuck on a certain player... a la your Jamal postings a month back, etc.
Well, I've got an admin in my crosshairs as my next target...

:p
 

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like many long long articles based on numbers and permutations and combinations therof, my eyes begin to roll up in my head and there becomes a subsequent inability for my brain to see thru said eyeballs. It happens to be a nice effort to reach some admitted shakey conclusions by the author, and i do appreciate the time he must have put in to identify those possible Eddy Curry fortunes.

About the only thing predictable about a 21 year old underachiever with amazing physical potential (if you can call a 21 year old that) is that he should be better than he is now at some point..................isn't that something?:)

Was there a category for 19 thru 22 year olds? I would go to recheck, but the eyes, the eyes:dead:
 

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Originally posted by <b>fleetwood macbull</b>!
like many long long articles based on numbers and permutations and combinations therof, my eyes begin to roll up in my head and there becomes a subsequent inability for my brain to see thru said eyeballs. It happens to be a nice effort to reach some admitted shakey conclusions by the author, and i do appreciate the time he must have put in to identify those possible Eddy Curry fortunes.

About the only thing predictable about a 21 year old underachiever with amazing physical potential (if you can call a 21 year old that) is that he should be better than he is now at some point..................isn't that something?:)

Was there a category for 19 thru 22 year olds? I would go to recheck, but the eyes, the eyes:dead:
Who are you basing Eddy Curry and his "underachievement" on?
 

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Originally posted by <b>RetroDreams</b>!


Who are you basing Eddy Curry and his "underachievement" on?
thats why i qualified that comment with: (if you can call a 21 year old that):)
I guess i'm basing that on a personal belief that he can play better than he has...point blank, to hell with age. With that body?

Edit: I've been disappointed with the lack of fire hustle and urgency in him. But he's 21, so you can't be too disappointed yet.
And any number crunching analysis/theories can't compute that kind of X factor (mostly the age part) unless you just assume steady improvement over time.

These HSers are kind of a new category. It would seem far better to restrict the pool of subjects to HSers:p

that seems simple enough to me:|
 

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Originally posted by <b>sp00k</b>!


This is an interesting statement that I've failed to realize at certain points. Why are we so incredibly disappointed
Because as it seems as the outsider that I am I can see that many of the Bulls fans Expected 20 and 8 and 1.5, I can search and bring those stats back up and the fact that he isnt avg that, has dissappointed many. Not that those stats were not acheiveable, I just think many of the fans set his standard too high for this season. Also I think that some of the fans dissapointment or I should say a majority are upset with his Intensity!!!! Its rare that, thats a learned trait but he seems to come around some

Is it because of the way Eddy finished the season last year? Or is it his lack of defensive fire? Or do we just need another scapegoat for another wasted season in Chicago?
I also think the way he ended last year raised that bar as I mentioned to high in the "Fans" eyes. I also think that maybe some of the Bulls fans place the blame of losses on him which I think is not fair and thats an organizational problem, not him.
 
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