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your right sicky. In my mind i cant think of walker as a pf. Williams plays sf a lot too but it is pierce. So i guess i mislead all on that one. Sorry. He didnt shoot all that well tonight either. But better than he did the last 9 games.
 

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Sicky, you've sold me on this one. I'd been saying that Jay Will was the best player we could acquire, and worth shuffling our roster for. I'm not so sure anymore. I'm now on the Caron Butler bandwagon. He looks like Ron Artest with better ballhandling and shooting. I would pull the trigger in a second on a trade with GS. Fizer and #2 for Fortson, Arenas, and #3.
 

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yeesh! i finally got through reading all this... after staring at your computer screen long enough, you begin to wonder what all that radiation is doing to your eyes, your skin, your brain, etc...


anyway, after reading this, i've become sure of one thing.
there is not a single person available in this draft who will absoultely (99% certainty) make a positive impact on the Bulls team.

for every yarn, scouting report, back-yard prophecy and prediction read off the back of a box of cereal preaching the greatness of (insert name here), there's at least a dozen retorts to the contrary.

it's at the point where I can't figure who really does have a shot at being a star in the NBA... with the draft drawing so near, we're all whipped up in a frenzy. because, let's face it, it's the only exciting thing that's going to happen until tip off.

so, maybe i'll just be grateful when it comes, so that the following weeks can then be spent fantasizing (or griping) about our shiney new toy, and how the future is forged (or mired) because of it.

anyone else abandoning hope of actually being able to determine the NBA skills of all these kids???
 

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Sicky I think you're slowly converting all of us. After reading your arguement I have withdrawn my vote for Jay Williams and am now rethinking my position for the 1000th time.

I must also commend you on backing up your aguements with stats. It makes a world of difference.

People don't seem to have much patience for Jamal Crawford. I say we give him until all-star break next season before we take the Point away from him, or trade him.

As an inexperienced point, he could use some veteran wisdom on the bench behind him. Arena's seems to be a bit of a gamble since he only played point this year. Having two PG with little experience makes me a bit nervous - no matter how high their potential.

Another retort to those who dismiss JC because of his poor assist totals, and ft. What can you work on the most after coming back from a serious leg injury? Your shot, weight training - and maybe some conditioning. JC got choosen at #8 bcs of his shooting ability displayed at the Chicago pre-draft games. Since then it has gotten even better. He has improved his form and range.

I hope Jerry Krause doesn't make the mistake of giving up on this determined and talented player. I say leverage Williams for all that he's worth.
 

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I want to point two things out.........

First thing first with my guess is that I can make a list of players until I get it right :laugh: But don't feel like doing all the typing :laugh: So I take a guess..........Mike Bibby???

Next thing even though I saw the stats of Jay Williams that Sicky post and I saw some people are rethinking now.......Me I haven't change my mind a bit I'm still high on drafting Jay Williams unless we trade for a veteran all star young stud that I don't mind which I planning to make a new thread what list of trades I don't mind trading Jay Williams durning draft day later on. But anyways I'm still high on Jay Williams stats well yeah it mean something but to me stats is like a piece of paper........Stats is always good to see how the player perform but I also always look at the players they play up in court the way they perform, the way they practice, and most importantly how they develop their skills and their work etics are the two most importantly.

I don't mean that stats is nothing important........It is but depend how you see the view of it.......Its hard to explain since I"m not a very good explainer and not a very bright person :laugh: Oops did I say that? :laugh:

I also going to post another thread on this board, realgm, and bullsnews what are my reasons drafting Jay Williams and etc, etc, etc. Later on.
 

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In this draft, there is no sure bet on who to take. The last draft to have a sure #1 was the '97 Draft with Tim Duncan. We don't need a franchise player or this big star. The player that would suit us best is one that has the winning instinct. That in my eyes is Jay Williams. He comes from a winning program at Duke(I'm not a Duke fan) and he always wants to win.

Yeah, his shooting is shakey but we are not asking him to be this big scorer. We have scorers in Jalen Rose, Jamal Crawford, Marcus Fizer, and Trenton Hassel. We need him to control the ball and take care of it, to bring down our turnovers. His shot will eventually come by working on it. Remember, Jordan had a shakey jumper when he entered the league. Most of his points came on drives to the basket. When he left the league in '98, he had one of the best jumpers and the most unstoppable fadeaway(which Kobe is trying to take). What made Michael so good was his winning instinct, his wanting to win everygame. Same goes for Magic and Bird, they worked on things to get better but they always wanted to win. That's the type of player you want and they are hard to find now.

I believe Brand wanted to win, but not bad enough. If so, he would have lashed out more against his teammates during games. Jalen though has shown he wants to win, you could see it in '98 against the Bulls in the Conf. Finals. You could see in the '00 Finals and you could see it this year. He has been vocal on how he wants the players to do this, he wants management to do that, he has the winning instinct.

See, it's not all about the talent or skills but it's about the heart and confidence. You can work on talent and your skill, but you can't put the heart into someone. The coach can give the players the confidence, which Bill Cartwright did. I coached 10-12 yr olds and they had no skill, but most had heart and confidence in themselves and they won games against more talented teams. See, the Bulls finally have the right players who have heart and the talent that just needs polishing. Jay Williams would add to the heart and the winning attitude they will take into the season. I don't know if any other player has the winning attitude he has or the heart. If he comes in and starts directing players and pushing them during games(as he stated he's not afraid to), that shows he is a leader with confidence. In today's game, that is worth more than 30 pts. a game.
 

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Sicky: What did you just say? The Kings ran the triangle last year right!! I knew it, I've been trying to figure out where I read that. I believe it was in an issue of SI from earlier this year. Do you remember or have a source.

I believe the point you make about Bibby is all the most relavent if we can prove that the King's were running the triangle. But common opinion among posters I've read, is that they do some-kind of Princton offense with back-cuts (??).

The Kings may be a very good model for our future. One reason why Jordan was so dominant late in his career was his amazing ability to post as a 2 guard. We already have a great post talent at C, so we dont necessarily need a 6'6" guy who posts up the smaller 2's. One thing which happened a lot at the end of last season, was Jamal getting posted up, or simply taken to the hole. BC mentioned the importance of his point guard, playing within his system, to be able to quarterback the defense. If this is the case then maybe Jamal isn't such a good match for us after-all. If he can't stop his own man, how can he quarterback his defense. Again, Jamal's performance at the end of last season came after a very serious knee surgery, so I realize that his legs might still have been recovering. Something to think about though.
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Least wort recommendation: Baron Davis if we can get him, or Wally. (and of course take Yao Ming if Houston drafts JWill, that goes without saying.)
 
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