Pretty strong competiton up there
Top 10 ACC Players (All Time)
JJ Redick just finished a pretty decent career. Guy never won a championship, but I think we all agree he was pretty good. But, was he one of the Top 10 ACC players of all time? Anyway, it just got me thinkig about making such a list. Here's mine. You're free to disagree, but expect me to hate on you if you don't show me your Top 10. By the way, I don't claim to be all-knowledgeable about this. I'm not old enough to have seen most of the greats play. I've read about most them and seen some clips, but I never saw a lot of them play. Along with that, I'm sure I'll forget a few. Plus, I'll probably get some of the highlight stats wrong. Don't hate on me too much. One other thing, we're talking about ACC careers, not ACC careers + NBA careers. So without further delay...
10. James Worthy 1982 National Champion
9. Shane Battier National POY, 3-time Defensive POY, 2001 National Champion, ACC POY, First Team All-American
8. Bobby Hurley NCAA All-Time Assist leader (1,076), 1991 & 1992 National Champion, Final Four MOP
7. Len Bias 2-time ACC POY, First Team All-American (1986)
6. Phil Ford National POY (1978), 2-time First Team All-American
5. Michael Jordan 1982 National Champion, ACC ROY, 2-time First Team All-American, National POY (1984)
4. Tim Duncan 2-time First Team All-American, 2-Time ACC POY, National POY
3. Ralph Sampson 3-time National POY, 3-time First Team All-American
2. Christian Laettner National POY, 1991 & 1992 National Champion
1. David Thompson 2-time National POY, 3-time First Team All-American, 3-time ACC POY, 1974 National Champ
10. James Worthy 1982 National Champion
9. Shane Battier National POY, 3-time Defensive POY, 2001 National Champion, ACC POY, First Team All-American
8. Bobby Hurley NCAA All-Time Assist leader (1,076), 1991 & 1992 National Champion, Final Four MOP
7. Len Bias 2-time ACC POY, First Team All-American (1986)
6. Phil Ford National POY (1978), 2-time First Team All-American
5. Michael Jordan 1982 National Champion, ACC ROY, 2-time First Team All-American, National POY (1984)
4. Tim Duncan 2-time First Team All-American, 2-Time ACC POY, National POY
3. Ralph Sampson 3-time National POY, 3-time First Team All-American
2. Christian Laettner National POY, 1991 & 1992 National Champion
1. David Thompson 2-time National POY, 3-time First Team All-American, 3-time ACC POY, 1974 National Champ
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Pretty good list TM:
My 10 in no order: Len Bias, Michael Jordan, Christian Laettner, David Thompson, Lennie Rosenbluth, Tim Duncan, Phil Ford, Ralph Sampson, James Worthy and (cheating here) Juan Dixon/Ray Felton.
If I had to rank them: Thompson, Jordan, Sampson, Laettner, Bias, Ford, Duncan, Rosenbluth, Worthy, Dixon/Felton.
Only Ford, Bias, Duncan and Sampson didn't win national titles--which speaks to how outstanding they must have been to make my list.
Just missed: Shane Battier, Bobby Hurley, Johnny Dawkins, Antawn Jamison, Elton Brand, Bob McAdoo, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Steve Francis, Jay Williams, Chris Paul, Shane Battier, Danny Ferry, JR Reid, Rasheed Wallace, Kenny Smith, Sam Perkins, Joe Smith, Tom McMillen/Len Elmore, Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jerry Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Rodney Rogers, Chris Bosh, Randolph Childress, Tree Rollins, Brad Daugherty, JJ Redick, Rodney Monroe, Stephon Marbury.... You could go and on and on. Really a tough question.
My 10 in no order: Len Bias, Michael Jordan, Christian Laettner, David Thompson, Lennie Rosenbluth, Tim Duncan, Phil Ford, Ralph Sampson, James Worthy and (cheating here) Juan Dixon/Ray Felton.
If I had to rank them: Thompson, Jordan, Sampson, Laettner, Bias, Ford, Duncan, Rosenbluth, Worthy, Dixon/Felton.
Only Ford, Bias, Duncan and Sampson didn't win national titles--which speaks to how outstanding they must have been to make my list.
Just missed: Shane Battier, Bobby Hurley, Johnny Dawkins, Antawn Jamison, Elton Brand, Bob McAdoo, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Steve Francis, Jay Williams, Chris Paul, Shane Battier, Danny Ferry, JR Reid, Rasheed Wallace, Kenny Smith, Sam Perkins, Joe Smith, Tom McMillen/Len Elmore, Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jerry Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Rodney Rogers, Chris Bosh, Randolph Childress, Tree Rollins, Brad Daugherty, JJ Redick, Rodney Monroe, Stephon Marbury.... You could go and on and on. Really a tough question.
mateer said:Pretty good list TM:
My 10 in no order: Len Bias, Michael Jordan, Christian Laettner, David Thompson, Lennie Rosenbluth, Tim Duncan, Phil Ford, Ralph Sampson, James Worthy and (cheating here) Juan Dixon/Ray Felton.
If I had to rank them: Thompson, Jordan, Sampson, Laettner, Bias, Ford, Duncan, Rosenbluth, Worthy, Dixon/Felton.
Only Ford, Bias, Duncan and Sampson didn't win national titles--which speaks to how outstanding they must have been to make my list.
Just missed: Shane Battier, Bobby Hurley, Johnny Dawkins, Antawn Jamison, Elton Brand, Bob McAdoo, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Steve Francis, Jay Williams, Chris Paul, Shane Battier, Danny Ferry, JR Reid, Rasheed Wallace, Kenny Smith, Sam Perkins, Joe Smith, Tom McMillen/Len Elmore, Mark Price, Kenny Anderson, Jerry Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Rodney Rogers, Chris Bosh, Randolph Childress, Tree Rollins, Brad Daugherty, JJ Redick, Rodney Monroe, Stephon Marbury.... You could go and on and on. Really a tough question.
There are a lot of players I'd put on there before Dixon/Felton
Jason Williams was better than both. I can see an argument for Dixon over Williams (though I think Williams was better), but there is really no argument between Williams/Felton.
And Johnny Dawkins was better than both.
I know he didn't win a national championship, but Antawn Jamison was just sick.
Nice thread. Here's my list only counting players from the early 70s onwards:
1. David Thompson
2. Ralph Sampson
3. Tim Duncan
4. Christian Laettner
5. Phil Ford
6. Johnny Dawkins
7. Len Bias
8. Grant Hill
9. Michael Jordan
10. Sam Perkins
11. Shane Battier
12. Antawn Jamison
13. Danny Ferry
14. John Lucas
15. Mark Price
9 of the 15 are from two schools...shocking.
1. David Thompson
2. Ralph Sampson
3. Tim Duncan
4. Christian Laettner
5. Phil Ford
6. Johnny Dawkins
7. Len Bias
8. Grant Hill
9. Michael Jordan
10. Sam Perkins
11. Shane Battier
12. Antawn Jamison
13. Danny Ferry
14. John Lucas
15. Mark Price
9 of the 15 are from two schools...shocking.
Yeah, I realize my inclusion of Felton is pretty indefensible. However, like Dixon, I'd have a hard time not picking him with the game on the line. His clutch three pointer against Illinois and his even smarter steal to seal the National Championship are indicative of what that guy is all about. My picking him is purely subjective, to a degree the same with Dixon, so I don't think I'd change anybody's mind but if I had 10 on a team I'd want one or both of them on there.
I realize the ACC has a lot of former national players of the year and Felton isn't one, still I'd take him.
In a game format: I'd start: Phil Ford, Michael Jordan, David Thompson, Ralph Sampson, Christian Laettner. Then I'd run a hockey line shift with: Felton/Dixon, Rosenbluth, Tim Duncan, Worthy and Len Bias. It'd be really tough for another conference to be better than those guys.
I love Johnny Dawkins too as a player, and found his reaction to the question about how many points he'd have scored if he had a three point line for all four years to be funny. He didn't want to say it but we all knew Redick wouldn't be the all time leading Duke scorer. Not only would many of the shots he'd taken counted for more, also he would have taken a lot of shots two steps further back as well.
Dawkins would likely be on bench if the roster was 13.
I realize the ACC has a lot of former national players of the year and Felton isn't one, still I'd take him.
In a game format: I'd start: Phil Ford, Michael Jordan, David Thompson, Ralph Sampson, Christian Laettner. Then I'd run a hockey line shift with: Felton/Dixon, Rosenbluth, Tim Duncan, Worthy and Len Bias. It'd be really tough for another conference to be better than those guys.
I love Johnny Dawkins too as a player, and found his reaction to the question about how many points he'd have scored if he had a three point line for all four years to be funny. He didn't want to say it but we all knew Redick wouldn't be the all time leading Duke scorer. Not only would many of the shots he'd taken counted for more, also he would have taken a lot of shots two steps further back as well.
Dawkins would likely be on bench if the roster was 13.
Mateer, I'm worried about you. I think you may be certifiable. :wink:
Felton isn't even in this discussion. That's insane.
He wasn't a primary scorer. He was the point guard and distributor, yet his assist-to-turnover ratio was mediocre. Not to mention Dawkins played against far superior competition.
And as for Jason Williams, he averaged 14.5 points, 6.5 assists, and 2.4 steals per game as a freshman. Last season, Felton averaged 12.9 points, 6.9 assists, and 2.0 steals per game. Should I even mention Williams's statistics in his sophomore and junior seasons?
I'll even say Felton is closer to Ed Cota than Jason Williams or Johnny Dawkins.
Felton isn't even in this discussion. That's insane.
He wasn't a primary scorer. He was the point guard and distributor, yet his assist-to-turnover ratio was mediocre. Not to mention Dawkins played against far superior competition.
And as for Jason Williams, he averaged 14.5 points, 6.5 assists, and 2.4 steals per game as a freshman. Last season, Felton averaged 12.9 points, 6.9 assists, and 2.0 steals per game. Should I even mention Williams's statistics in his sophomore and junior seasons?
I'll even say Felton is closer to Ed Cota than Jason Williams or Johnny Dawkins.
1)David Thompson
2)Phil Ford
3)Christian Laettner
4)Ralph Sampson
5)Johnny Dawkins
6)Dickie Hemric(never saw him play,but judging by his numbers it's impossible to leave him out)
7)Tim Duncan
8)Grant Hill
9)Mark Price
10)Michael Jordan
11)Mike Gminski
12)Bobby Hurley
13)Len Bias
14)Tommy Burleson
15)Buck Williams
16)Danny Ferry
17)Sam Perkins
18)Gene Banks
19)John Lucas
20)Billy Cunningham
21)Jeff Lamp
22)Shane Battier
23)Antwan Jamison
24)Len Chapelle
25)Art Heyman
I should make room for Jeff Mullins and a lot of other guys,but that's even more old school than I am.
2)Phil Ford
3)Christian Laettner
4)Ralph Sampson
5)Johnny Dawkins
6)Dickie Hemric(never saw him play,but judging by his numbers it's impossible to leave him out)
7)Tim Duncan
8)Grant Hill
9)Mark Price
10)Michael Jordan
11)Mike Gminski
12)Bobby Hurley
13)Len Bias
14)Tommy Burleson
15)Buck Williams
16)Danny Ferry
17)Sam Perkins
18)Gene Banks
19)John Lucas
20)Billy Cunningham
21)Jeff Lamp
22)Shane Battier
23)Antwan Jamison
24)Len Chapelle
25)Art Heyman
I should make room for Jeff Mullins and a lot of other guys,but that's even more old school than I am.
Just seeing Len Bias's name on there brings back a lot of memories
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