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Below is my Top 25 Small Forwards list. In parenthesis are the players rank from my last Top 25 list (April 24, 2002). HM = Honorable Mention and NR = Not Ranked. Members of the Rockets are in bold. Then there is my Honorable Mention (players 26-30 in alphabetical order), my Top 5 Backups, and my Top 5 Rookies.

<b><u>Top 25 Small Forwards:</b></u>
01) Kevin Garnett, MIN (1)
02) Dirk Nowitzki, DAL (2)
03) Paul Pierce, BOS (3)
04) Michael Jordan, WAS (4)
05) Shawn Marion, PHO (7)
06) Peja Stojakovic, SAC (6)
07) Grant Hill, ORL (5)
08) Jalen Rose (10)
09) Jamal Mashburn, NOR (11)
10) Latrell Sprewell, NYK (8)
11) Glenn Robinson, MIL (9)
12) Lamar Odom, LAC (13)
13) Rashard Lewis, FA (14)
14) Donyell Marshall, FA (12)
15) Tim Thomas, MIL (24)
16) Darius Miles, CLE (NR)
17) Ron Artest, IND (18)
18) Shane Battier, MEM (21)
19) Keith Van Horn, NJN (16)
20) Scottie Pippen, POR (17)
21) Andrei Kirilenko, UTA (HM)
<b>22) Eddie Griffin, HOU (HM)</b>
23) Matt Harpring, FA (20)
24) Rick Fox (22)
25) Corliss Wiliamson, DET (25)

<b><u>Honorable Mention:</b></u>
Richard Jefferson, NJN (NR); Corey Maggette, LAC (NR); Lamond Murray, CLE (23); Morris Peterson, TOR (HM); Hedo Turkoglu, SAC (NR)

<b><u>Top 5 Backups:</b></u>
01) Hedo Turkoglu, SAC
02) Corey Maggette, LAC
03) Lamond Murray, CLE
04) Jonathen Bender, IND
05) Devean George, LAL

<b><u>Top 5 Rookies:</b></u>
01) Caron Butler, MIA
02) Mike Dunleavy Jr, GSW
03) Nickoloz Tskitishvili, DEN
04) Chris Jefferies, TOR
<b>05) Bostjan Nachbar, HOU</b>
 

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1. Pierce
2. Nowitzki
3. Marion
4. Rose
5. Jordan
6. Stojakovic
7. Hill
8. Mashburn
9. Robinson
10. Odom
 

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i know its probably just cause you are a rockets fan, and im ok with a little biased, but is that the case or can i get an explanation for girffin and kirilenko being ahead of richard jefferson, especially now that he will be starting.
 

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Kirilenko and Griffin will be starters too. Bryon Russell and Donyell Marshall are gone so Kirilenko inherits the job. Houston has Maurice Taylor and Kenny Thomas at PF so Griffin should slide to SF. Jefferon's good, they're better.
 

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Jefferson will explode onto the scene as a starter and will be an all-star in 2 years.
 

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Personally, I would put grant hill at 3 or 4 depending on his health next season. In the few game she played this season, he still got really good numbers. And he has had near triple double averages before. Remember, Grant Hill was an mvp candidate when he wa shealthy, and he hasn't lost much in the way of quickness or athleticism. That damn ankle just needs to heal.
 

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-dirk will start at power forward
-pierce will start at sg
-rose should be bumped ahead of hill
-i actually think griffin is better then kirilenko who has no range whatsoever like erob

otherwise. great list!
 

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Originally posted by <b>RocketsInFlight</b>!
Below is my Top 25 Small Forwards list. In parenthesis are the players rank from my last Top 25 list (April 24, 2002). HM = Honorable Mention and NR = Not Ranked. Members of the Rockets are in bold. Then there is my Honorable Mention (players 26-30 in alphabetical order), my Top 5 Backups, and my Top 5 Rookies.

<b><u>Top 25 Small Forwards:</b></u>
01) Kevin Garnett, MIN (1)
02) Dirk Nowitzki, DAL (2)
03) Paul Pierce, BOS (3)
04) Michael Jordan, WAS (4)
05) Shawn Marion, PHO (7)
06) Peja Stojakovic, SAC (6)
07) Grant Hill, ORL (5)
08) Jalen Rose (10)
09) Jamal Mashburn, NOR (11)
10) Latrell Sprewell, NYK (8)
11) Glenn Robinson, MIL (9)
12) Lamar Odom, LAC (13)
13) Rashard Lewis, FA (14)
14) Donyell Marshall, FA (12)
15) Tim Thomas, MIL (24)
16) Darius Miles, CLE (NR)
17) Ron Artest, IND (18)
18) Shane Battier, MEM (21)
19) Keith Van Horn, NJN (16)
20) Scottie Pippen, POR (17)
21) Andrei Kirilenko, UTA (HM)
<b>22) Eddie Griffin, HOU (HM)</b>
23) Matt Harpring, FA (20)
24) Rick Fox (22)
25) Corliss Wiliamson, DET (25)

<b><u>Honorable Mention:</b></u>
Richard Jefferson, NJN (NR); Corey Maggette, LAC (NR); Lamond Murray, CLE (23); Morris Peterson, TOR (HM); Hedo Turkoglu, SAC (NR)

<b><u>Top 5 Backups:</b></u>
01) Hedo Turkoglu, SAC
02) Corey Maggette, LAC
03) Lamond Murray, CLE
04) Jonathen Bender, IND
05) Devean George, LAL

<b><u>Top 5 Rookies:</b></u>
01) Caron Butler, MIA
02) Mike Dunleavy Jr, GSW
03) Nickoloz Tskitishvili, DEN
04) Chris Jefferies, TOR
<b>05) Bostjan Nachbar, HOU</b>
:laugh: This list is complete trash:laugh: Rick Fox, Matt Harpring, and Eddie Griffin are all ahead of Hedo Turkoglu, Corey Maggette, Morris Peterson, Lamond Murray, and Richard Jefferson.

Lamond Murray averaged 17ppg last year, and Jefferson, Turkoglu, and Peterson were all in double figures.

You can't say the same for most of the guys at the end of that list!
 

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X's 2003 Top 30 Small Forwards:
Note: I do not classify Tracy McGrady, or Paul Pierce as small forwards.
Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki are close, but I put KG ahead because he has a much better all around game.

1. Kevin Garnett
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Shawn Marion
4. Peja Stojakovic
5. Glenn Robinson
6. Grant Hill
7. Michael Jordan
8. Jalen Rose
9. Lamar Odom
10. Jamal Mashburn
11. Rashard Lewis
12. Latrell Sprewell
13. Tim Thomas
14. Keith Van Horn
17. Ron Artest
18. Donyell Marshall
19. Lamond Murray
20. Darius Miles
21. Morris Peterson
22. Richard Jefferson
23. Scottie Pippen
24. Shane Battier
25. Andrei Kirilenko
26. Corliss Williamson
27. Hedo Turkoglu
28. Corey Maggette
29. Matt Harpring
30. Rick Fox

Top 5 Rookies:
1. Caron Butler
2. Qyntel Woods
3. Nikoloz Skitishvili
4. Mike Dunleavy Jr.
5. Chris Jefferies
 

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My Top Ten
1.KG
2.Dirk
3.Lewis
4.Peja
5.Marion
6.Odom
7.Hill
8.Rose
9.Spree
10.G-Rob

TMac and Pierce aint SF they are SG and MJ is a Pass top 10 SF he aint even top 20 on my list anymore
 

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Stats per 48 minutes:

Tim Thomas: 21ppg 7rpg 1.57spg 0.77bpg 3.1tpg 2.5apg

Corliss Williamson: 30ppg 9rpg 1.38spg 0.73bpg 3.9tpg 2.7apg

Most of these categories are similar except scoring where Williamson would average 9 more points per game. Plus, he would grab 2 more boards per game. In my opinion, if you rate Thomas in the top 15, Williamson deserves to be higher than 25 or 26.
 

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My Top #10 SF's:

1)D.Nowitzki
2)K.Garnett
3)L.Odom
4)S.Marion
5)P.Stojakovic
6)M.Jordan
7)J.Rose
8)L.Sprewell
9)R.Lewis
10)G.Robinson
 

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Re: Re: Top 25 Small Forwards

Originally posted by <b>The X Factor</b>!


:laugh: This list is complete trash:laugh: Rick Fox, Matt Harpring, and Eddie Griffin are all ahead of Hedo Turkoglu, Corey Maggette, Morris Peterson, Lamond Murray, and Richard Jefferson.

Lamond Murray averaged 17ppg last year, and Jefferson, Turkoglu, and Peterson were all in double figures.

You can't say the same for most of the guys at the end of that list!
Get your facts straight:

Lamond Murray 16.6ppg NOT 17ppg
Richard Jefferson averaged 9.4ppg and that's NOT double figures.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Top 25 Small Forwards

Originally posted by <b>IMX</b>!


Get your facts straight:

Lamond Murray 16.6ppg NOT 17ppg
Richard Jefferson averaged 9.4ppg and that's NOT double figures.
I hope you were sarcastic-16.6 is rounded up to 17,and 9.4 is close to 10...X Factor was probably rounding
 
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