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Is Stephon Marbury in the top 7 of pg's? I made my own list of top 10....

1.Kidd
2.Payton
3.Baron Davis
4.Steve Francis
5.Andre Miller
6.Nash
7.Marbury ?(this is where it gets tough to decide)
8.Bibby?
9.Stockton?
10.Cassel?
 

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1. Jason Kidd

He is definately the best PG in the league and at 6'4" he has great size. That is what makes him a triple-double threat every night. He could probably lead ANY team in the entire league to the playoffs. He is that good. He can dominate a game without scoring a point...

2. Baron Davis

I know some of you may be saying, "what about Payton?", well Baron Davis is better. Davis really stepped it up this year and did it when his team needed him. Just like Kidd, Davis is a triple-double threat, as he showed in the playoffs. This kid is ready to explode and could end up taking that #1 slot. Great rebounder for his height...

3. Gary Payton

See you guys, he didn't fall far. Gary Payton may be getting older, but he is still a great player. He took a young team in Seattle into the playoffs, which will be valuable to them down the road. He is still capable of taking over a game with his scoring and he has at least 3-5 good years left...

4. Andre Miller

Some people say he is overrated and I say they are crazy. This man can play and he leads the league in assists. He is what a PG is supposed to be. His shooting needs to improve, but he is still fairly young and he has a chance to make a jump on this list...

5. Steve Francis

Mr. Headache is still a great player. Look at those rebound totals! That is what b-ball is all about. He should be an inspiration to all the small guys that get boxed out. Francis definately has a multi-dimensional game. Look for him to lead the Rockets into the playoffs next year...

6. Mike Bibby

This guy probably should be higher. Sure his numbers were low, but he didn't need to score much in Sacto during the regular season. He proved to be the real leader out West and the only player man enough to take and make a clutch shot in the WCF. He is only going to get better with age. He has a good stroke and is very quick off the dribble...

7. Stephon Marbury

Everyone likes to pick on this guy and call him selfish, but the fact is, he gets the job done. He probably has some of the best handles in the game and is great and dishing to teammates. He isn't Jason Kidd, but who is? Stephon is the better shooter of the two...

8. Steve Nash

IMO, he is a product of the run-n'-gun system he is in. He is in a PG friendly offense and he has taken advantage of the situation. He is probably the best shooting PG in the league and is a great disher to boot. He needs to improve his leadership skills and become that floor general that the Mavs need. He can't just settle for 3's...

9. Sam Cassell

E.T. is still going strong. IMO, he is the real leader of that team and if they are going to trade anyone, it shouldn't be Sam. This guy is a master at the mid-range game and he creates for that garbage they call a front-court. Sam is very underrated IMO and he is always snubbed come all-star time. It's a shame...

10. John Stockton

It is really amazing that John is still doing his thing. Stockton to Malone is slowing down, but John is still a top 10 PG in this league. He is always money in the clutch and is a great defender. He is second to none when it comes to creating for his teammates...
 

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Originally posted by <b>KC</b>!

6. Mike Bibby

This guy probably should be higher. Sure his numbers were low, but he didn't need to score much in Sacto during the regular season. He proved to be the real leader out West and the only player man enough to take and make a clutch shot in the WCF. He is only going to get better with age. He has a good stroke and is very quick off the dribble...

u mean the only guy on the sacramento.
 

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1. Jason Kidd (great passer, rebounder defender, clutch shooter, is not without faults though, as he needs to improve shooting % and turnovers)
2. Gary Payton (great scorer, decent rebounder, good passer, defense has slipped though in his old age)
3. John Stockton (top 5 PG of all time, incredible intelligence, still a great defender and excellent passer and good shooter)
4. Andre Miller (great passer, good at getting to the line, good disruptive defender, needs to work on one on one defense and shooting particularly 3 point shooting)
5. Steve Nash (prob. the most underrated player on the Mavericks, shoots very, very well with good range, great at breaking down the defense and kicking the ball out, one glaring weakness is his perimeter defense which needs improvement)
6. Baron Davis (good scorer, pretty good rebounder, great defender, great stealer, great passer, needs to work on turnovers and improving his shooting %)
7. Sam Cassell (is underrated by many due to Milwaukee's bad season last year, but was the leader of the team and a great scorer and ball handler, one weakness though is his defense)
8. Steve Francis (great scorer and great rebounder, adequate passer, decent disruptive defender, weakness though is his unacceptable shooting %s, his turnovers are also terrible, and his one-on-one defense leaves something to be desired)
9. Darrell Armstrong (pretty good scorer, very bad shooting % though, decent range, good passer, great ballhandler, good defender, not flashy or overwhelmingly great, just a good player that gets overlooked but just produces)
10. Mike Bibby (great shooter, good passer, above average defender, not as good as the playoffs would lead you to believe, but is very good nonetheless, his stats get stymied by the amount of shooters on the Kings, and the fact that Webber is such a great passer and point forward)
 

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1. Kidd
2. Payton
3. Francis
4. B-Davis
5. Starbury
6. Nash
7. Dre-Mill
8. Terry
9. Stockton
10. Bibby

Sum of u have Dre-Mill way to high on ur lists!Hes NOT a leader and hes got NO heart!:no:
 

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Originally posted by <b>HEATLUNATIC</b>!
Sum of u have Dre-Mill way to high on ur lists!Hes NOT a leader and hes got NO heart!:no:
Haha, I love that quote. Those two attributes mean pretty much nothing. There just stuff people like Bill Walton say when he's not saying "Throw it down big man!" or some other inane comment.
 

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Andre lead the league in assists on a crappy team. Anyone can give Shaq or Kobe the ball in a place for them to score,but it takes someone real good to get Diop to score. And Miller also gets TD's like no ones buisness. Here is my list though. -

1.Jason Kidd - You can't argue.
2.Baron Davis - He is a lot better than people give him credit for.
3.Gary Payton - Was good, but he is getting kind old for the NBA.
4.Steve Francis - Injuries have kept him from showing what he can really do.
5.Steve Nash - It is hard to put up numbers like that on a team with 3 stars.
6.Andre Miller - He lead the league in assists, but he is still developing.
7.Mike Bibby - He sort of came out of nowhere.
8.Jason Terry - This was a hard choice, because he plays on the Hawks.
9.Stephon Marbury - He had a bad year, but he is still the same old Starbury.
10.John Stockton - Although he is not too good now, he is the NBA's all-time leader in assists and steals.

Honorable Mention -
1.Jason Williams - He get over looked a lot. He doesn't get much credit.
2.Nick Van Exel - He backs-up, but he still can rack up the points.
3.Alvin Williams - He has been a very important part of the Raptors sucsess.

The Future -
1.Jamal Tinsley - He got TD's in his rookie year.
2.Jay Williams - He is so good, that he is playing with the USA team right now.
3.Tony Parker - He started last year, and did a good job of it too.
 

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before the worlds i hadnt seen dre miller play much, but i like what i see from him scoring wise, hes got a nice mid range game, which is how the clippers need him to play, get in the lane and be able to dish or score from 10 feet out.


and you gotta think marbury is a top 7 pg, him and payton are the only two pgs to average 20 and 8, thats gotta say something
 

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Originally posted by <b>GoCocs9188</b>!
Bibby should be ahead of Nash and Marbury after what he did in the playoffs.
:laugh: You're kidding right?! Nash is an All-Star, and was great in the Playoffs! Bibby is waaaaay overrated...he had a great Playoffs, but he was just a decent PG in the regular season.
 

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John Stockton will always be better than Bibby. And Terry is better than Bibby now too.:yes:

Anyway...Here's my top 12 PG...

1. Jason Kidd/Gary Payton
2. Steve Francis
3. Baron Davis
4. Steve Nash
5. Andre Miller
6. John Stockton (Go Johnny Go!)
7. Nick Van Exel (When he starts he gets 20ppg and 8apg)/Stephon Marbury
8. Jason Terry
9. Mike Bibby
10. Sam Cassell (He is too much of a shoot first kind of guy)
11. Darrell Armstrong
12. Jason Williams
 

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Originally posted by <b>tenkev</b>!


Haha, I love that quote. Those two attributes mean pretty much nothing. There just stuff people like Bill Walton say when he's not saying "Throw it down big man!" or some other inane comment.
Do u know why teams like the Grizz,Clipps,Rockets,Bulls and Hawks DONT make the playoffs?!?!Its cuz they have NO leadership on the court,in other words someone with Heart aka Killer instinct!They all have players that could be like that,

Bulls - Chandler,Jay
Clipps - Odom
Rockets - Francis,hes already like that,he was just injured this season.
Grizz - Gasol,Battier
Hawks - Terry,should be that player this season.

but ARENT like that yet!:no:

Dre-Mill can dish the rock,but hes no floor general and he NEVER will be,its just NOT in his personality!DONT confuse being a good player,and being an ALL-AROUND AWESOME baller!:devil:

DONT ever compare me to Bill Walton again *no masked vulgarity* :upset:
 

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Battier has more heart than any other player in the league! He throws his frickin body around all game, even when they are out off the play-offs and down by 20.
 

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Those teams just weren't as good. It wasn't for some made up reason like "lack of heart" or leadership. It was just because they didn't have as good players on the floor as other teams. There is no magical crap that makes teams good, its just combining good players with a good motivating coach and then you win. End of story.
 
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