[SausageKingofChicago]

In season's past Tyson Chandler's optimism about where he saw himself and his team fell short of the truth

The heart of a lion ... or so we had to keep taking him at his word because by and large we liked what he had to say ..... any shred that could be held on to for hope was good in the wet arsed hour that lasted 6 seasons

Then last season his words started losing reasonance when his body just couldn't hold up

Most of us had written him off and wanted him dealt and/or were indifferent as to whether he remained a Bull , and if so , were extremely skeptical about any meaningful contribution he could make

The front office picked Kirk as their symbol that embodied the style of ball they wanted to play and who best repped the paying customer where "the product" was pitched

The others fell into the official line behind Kirk as their leader giving some nice fluffy platitudes throughout the season

But what about the boy who would be King ?

Who recently as a month or so ago annointed himself as Captain of the defense . This and various references throughout the years where he has nakedly laid it all bare in how we wants to lead suggest that he has the desire , and if this is so , its not an itch that just goes away.

Tyson Chandler , for the first time in his career , can now talk the talk - with credibility as he's walking the walk - pimp style - particularly as a 4th Quarter shutdown enforcer.

Whilst the team has unambiguously become "Kirk's team" .... at least from an internalised identification ..... is there room for Tyson Chandler to fulfill his leadership ambition and co -captain next season with Kirk Hinrich?

Will Bulls Management let him grow to become the man/player he may need to be ?

 

[PD]

He has passed Elton Brand in RPG.

Chandler is at 9.7 and Brand is at 9.5

 

[Showtyme]

He has passed Elton Brand in height. :banana: Actually, I agree that Chandler is more of a pure rebounder than Brand.

But anyway, SausageKing brings up some good questions to ask about EVERYONE on the team. Chandler and Curry are in the contract year, so it's a bit more relevant there, but this entire team has to keep fighting for each other and stay pure to basketball enthusiasm and team loyalty.

I think the Bulls will encourage guys like Chandler, a guy who has really poured his heart into the team since two seasons ago, trying to lead with energetic emotional leadership (even in the midst of his injury last year).

 

[Rhyder]

Brand is a better all around player than is Tyson.

However, with a low post presence like Eddy, I think Tyson has finally surpassed Elton as the better fit for our team (this season). We have a 1/2 scoring punch with Eddy and Gordon/Hinrich. With no Eddy (or if we don't resign Eddy), I think that Brand would have been the better fit as a #2 option. Chandler's ceiling is higher, but that is assuming he can learn a few post moves.

We have been searching for that #1 scoring option the past six losing season, and have come to find that Eddy has been it after the first 1/4 of the current season. However, he was too much a negative on the defensive end in season's past to be able to be relied upon to carry the scoring load. This season has been sort of a passing the reigns transitionary period for Eddy, and he has made tremendous strides. I have no doubt that Eddy's mpg (and ppg) will go up this season as long as he stays in shape.

 

[Showtyme]

Brand is a better all around player than is Tyson.

Agreed. By far. Brand is one of my favorite players in the league.

Chandler's ceiling is higher, but that is assuming he can learn a few post moves.

THIS is subject to much debate. After several seasons of "Tyson Chandler is the 7'1" Ben Wallace" sentiment, I've watched Ben Wallace develop into a savvy offensive player. He can actually put the ball on the floor like a crazy big man, and gets to the hoop. Some of his moves ACTUALLY are resembling Amare Stoudemire, except with more finger-rolls and less dunking (not that Wallace can't athletically get up, but because it's a lot tougher technically to dunk on guys).

Here's what the development looked like:

02-03 (third year with detroit, Carlisle's last year there): 7 ppg, 15.4 rpg, 1.4 spg, 3.15 bpg. 48.1% FG. Defensive Player of the Year. FGA: 6 per game.

That was when he was still a pure defensive specialist, a workhorse that dominated boards. Didn't take too many shots.

03-04 (enter Larry Brown, and Rasheed Wallace): 9.5 ppg (career high), 12.4 rpg, 1.77 spg, 3.04 bpg, 42.1% FG. 9.2 FGA! NBA Championship winners.

This is when Wallace first began using his dribble and started getting to the hoop. I remember them intentionally getting him the ball, often, and him working really hard on that 15-footer that all elite big men attain once they hit the prime of their careers (and is all that's left when they reach the twilight of their careers). However, notice the field goal %: it takes a season to LEARN offense, no matter how hard you work. But he took a lot more shots.

04-05 (this season... outcome yet unknown): 9.5 ppg (matching career high), 12.1 rpg, 1.38 spg, 2.4 bpg, 44.8% FG. 8.6 FGA, a slight dip from last year.

Voila! From the games I've watched, he's still creating his own offense, but he's getting his points on fewer shots per game. And, he's shooting a significantly higher %. That shows a certain offensive awareness.

The guy is actually quicker, and DEFINTIELY stronger, than almost any matchup defending him. And because he keeps his role IN the offense fairly small, it's always still somewhat of a surprise when he takes it in; defenses are still not really taking him into account.

This is the kind of development I would like to see in Tyson Chandler. Less putting it on the floor, since he's so much taller and is a lot worse with his hands, but at least in attaining a jump shot and maybe a drop-step post move with his back to the basket. To be honest, the way our team operates, it would be better if he could make jump shots, because we like to spread the floor in the half-court; drawing opposing centers out of the paint would open up all sorts of penetration possbilities for the Captain Kirk and THE MASTER (Ben "Leroy" Gordon).

Is this possible? Most defensive bigs don't really learn how to create their own offense, but I think it takes a die-hard workhorse mentality that has drawn a lot of the comparisons between Tyson and Big Ben on this board. If that work ethic is applied, there's no reason why a guy as athletic and skilled as Tyson Chandler can't improve his scoring.

 

[Blazer Freak]

This is kinda OT, but I think that the Bulls should think about resigning Chandler and not Curry. Chandler has been monsterous since Currys been out, and theirs a reason for that. Also it lets Chicago have some extra money to try and nab a 2 with.

 

[Mr. T]

In season's past Tyson Chandler's optimism about where he saw himself and his team fell short of the truth

The heart of a lion ... or so we had to keep taking him at his word because by and large we liked what he had to say ..... any shred that could be held on to for hope was good in the wet arsed hour that lasted 6 seasons

Then last season his words started losing reasonance when his body just couldn't hold up

Most of us had written him off and wanted him dealt and/or were indifferent as to whether he remained a Bull , and if so , were extremely skeptical about any meaningful contribution he could make

The front office picked Kirk as their symbol that embodied the style of ball they wanted to play and who best repped the paying customer where "the product" was pitched

The others fell into the official line behind Kirk as their leader giving some nice fluffy platitudes throughout the season

But what about the boy who would be King ?

Who recently as a month or so ago annointed himself as Captain of the defense . This and various references throughout the years where he has nakedly laid it all bare in how we wants to lead suggest that he has the desire , and if this is so , its not an itch that just goes away.

Tyson Chandler , for the first time in his career , can now talk the talk - with credibility as he's walking the walk - pimp style - particularly as a 4th Quarter shutdown enforcer.

Whilst the team has unambiguously become "Kirk's team" .... at least from an internalised identification ..... is there room for Tyson Chandler to fulfill his leadership ambition and co -captain next season with Kirk Hinrich?

Will Bulls Management let him grow to become the man/player he may need to be ?

I agree. Tyson has always wanted to be a leader. Whether Griffin stays or goes, I think Tyson should be the 3rd captain next year. When AD is done, Kirk and Tyson make the perfect compliment. Both intense, both bring it every night. Kirk is the more level-headed and Tyson the more fiery emotion. I like it.