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What we traded for Carter, or what the Heat traded for Shaq?

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True, although they do have a better record.

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Carter is 28, Shaq is 32. Carter is owed $57.9 million over the next four years, including this one. Shaq is owed $58.2 million over the next two, including this one.

Plus Thorn got the Raptors to take on the Nets' worst single contract--Zo's.
 

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Carter is 28, Shaq is 32. Carter is owed $57.9 million over the next four years, including this one. Shaq is owed $58.2 million over the next two, including this one.

Plus Thorn got the Raptors to take on the Nets' worst single contract--Zo's.
Our worst contract was not Zo's but Mutombo's. Even with his buy out, this 1 year, he will collect about what Zo will collect this season, and the following 2.

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Shaq's dominance makes acquiring him a deal of greater impact; however, the the Nets sent far less talent to acquire Vince. Ages and contracts don't amount to spit when compared to a championship. The Heat are in the drivers seat for a championship because of their deal, while the Nets were only in the drivers seat for an Atlantic Divison championship.

The Heat made the better deal.
 

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Petey said:
Our worst contract was not Zo's but Mutombo's. Even with his buy out, this 1 year, he will collect about what Zo will collect this season, and the following 2.

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He will NOT collect any money this year. He was bought out LAST year. The money was paid out LAST year. That contract ENDED last year. Zo's contract was an active contract.

Deke is still on the salary cap this year, but he was not paid.
 

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He will NOT collect any money this year. He was bought out LAST year. The money was paid out LAST year. That contract ENDED last year. Zo's contract was an active contract.

Deke is still on the salary cap this year, but he was not paid.
Really?

The Nets paid him the buyout in 1 lump sum?

That is crazy... he was bought out for 4+ a year, which breaks down to 15+ a year for 2 years (Last and this year)... that is 30+ million.

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Shaq's dominance makes acquiring him a deal of greater impact; however, the the Nets sent far less talent to acquire Vince. Ages and contracts don't amount to spit when compared to a championship. The Heat are in the drivers seat for a championship because of their deal, while the Nets were only in the drivers seat for an Atlantic Divison championship.

The Heat made the better deal.
When the Heat wins it all, then you can make such assessment. Being in the driver's seat doesn't mean spit either. The ring counts, not being in the driver's seat.

P.S. Ages and contracts mean a lot to planning for the future and GM's--at least smart GM's--make deals for beyond one year.
 

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If Miami takes the cake then it's Shaq this season, lets watch over the next 3-4 seasons and see who amasses the most rings.....wins, playoff wins. But we definitely did get the most out of what we had. Miami gave gave up 3 quality players. The nets gave up picks.
 

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Any deal that can get you a championship is the better deal. Heat made out well here. And when Shaq's fat contract comes off the books, they should have cap room to surround Wade with great players.
 

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Right now I think it is obviously the Heat. They got the best inside man in the leauge for a good swingman, and two average players. Now they went from a middle of the pack East team, to maybe the best team in the league. Both trades were great, but the Shaq trade is better.
 

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NetIncome said:
When the Heat wins it all, then you can make such assessment. Being in the driver's seat doesn't mean spit either. The ring counts, not being in the driver's seat.

P.S. Ages and contracts mean a lot to planning for the future and GM's--at least smart GM's--make deals for beyond one year.
I see you are forgetting to calculate in the marketing value of having Shaq on your team. Shaq made the Heat the hottest ticket in the NBA.

While obvioulsy GM's look beyond 1 year, none of them make as big of an issue out of age as you or other fans do.
 

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I also think the Vince Carter trade gave the franchise a bit more hope for its move to Brooklyn. I mean, it looked like the team was going to get blown up with only RJ getting a reprieve. Now, JKidd, Vince, RJ, Krstic and others make a pretty good core, which only needs a bit of tinkering with (and health) to become a contender... which might have been a ways down the track if the Brooklyn team took the aforementioned path.
 

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cpawfan said:
Shaq's dominance makes acquiring him a deal of greater impact; however, the the Nets sent far less talent to acquire Vince. Ages and contracts don't amount to spit when compared to a championship. The Heat are in the drivers seat for a championship because of their deal, while the Nets were only in the drivers seat for an Atlantic Divison championship.

The Heat made the better deal.
Shaq is obviously the most dominant player in the NBA, but since the Nets could not acquire Shaq for 2 #1s, Zos contract, a washed up Atrain and Eric Williams, the comparison is somewhat irrelevant.
 

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I see you are forgetting to calculate in the marketing value of having Shaq on your team. Shaq made the Heat the hottest ticket in the NBA.

While obvioulsy GM's look beyond 1 year, none of them make as big of an issue out of age as you or other fans do.
The point is that the OWNERS will. Shaq wants an extension for four or five years whether they win or nor. A $100+ million contract is a huge risk, particularly for a 7 footer.

Besides, as you have wisely noted, not only did Thorn get Carter for trinkets, baubles and two mid round draft choices, he got the Raptors to take the Nets worst contract, Mourning's.

It can argued that Riley or Thorn made the best trade of the year, but there is no doubt that Babcock made the worst trade of the year.
 

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Shaq is obviously the most dominant player in the NBA, but since the Nets could not acquire Shaq for 2 #1s, Zos contract, a washed up Atrain and Eric Williams, the comparison is somewhat irrelevant.
The Nets couldn't have acquired Shaq if they had offered Kidd & RJ. Shaq had no interest in being traded to the Nets, so you have no point.
 
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