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It's time to start searching some archives, because it wasn't very long ago at all that half of the posts on all the Bulls' message boards were calling for Krause's head.

It's funny, I haven't read a "Krause must go" in months, but I've yet to see anyone say "I was wrong, Krause DOES know what he's doing".
 

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Krause must go! That fat bastige.

So he got Jay Williams in a no brainer pick. Who is Roger Mason Jr.? Especially when the likes of Carlos Boozer is still on the board.

My real beef with Mr. Krause:

He broke up the Bulls dynasty before it was time. We could have 5 or 6 peated.

Michael Jordan should be a part owner in the BULLS and never have worn another uniform.

These are unforgivable sins. Krause must go!
 

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I admit it, I have bashed Jerry in the past. I will bash him in the future.

I will say that Jerry is a survior, for no one else would of lasted as GM with those 4 horrible seasons. Maybe this upcoming season will be a new day but it's a little early to order playoff tickets.

I will bash Jerry now.
Picking Rodger's with Boozer on the board? Jr could be exciting and a solid 2, but didn't we need a big man? Rodgers' game reads like Hassell's, we already have Trenton. Boozer plays D and rebounds similar to a Dukie of old, we don't have one of those ;)
Then again, it's only a 2nd round pick. One day it won't be a lock that 2nd rounders make the team ;)
 

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I've never been a Krause basher -- in fact I've been quite the opposite -- but I am unsatisfied with last night's draft. Where is our help at PF/C? Where is our slashing wing player of the length to defend big threes?

JWill will likely be a nice player, but in acquiring him, we are effectively releasing Best. An upgrade, yes, but when we have needs at two other spots do we have the luxury of an upgrade? Jury is out until we see what Jerry's plans are for FA or trades. Keon Clark? Adonal Foyle? Malik Rose? Also, slasher need may be less if we get a healthy ERob. IF
 
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Isn't it funny how DENVER is getting SHOWERED with praise for trading. . .

. . .a proven near all-star supposedly franchise player for a great unknown. Last year we were shellacked by idiots galore for almost the same thing (BTW, So that'll be an extra 10 years for the Knicks ?!). I really believe there's some kind of mystical effect with Jerry K at the helm --- he seems to be a step ahead. This year, I'm OK with the picks, just as long as Jerry doesn't pull off a stupidly radical trade like Crawford for Jeffries. I'm looking forward to a steadfast Summer looking forward to a killer Summer League season.
 

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Re: Krause must go! That fat bastige.

Originally posted by pjc845
So he got Jay Williams in a no brainer pick. Who is Roger Mason Jr.? Especially when the likes of Carlos Boozer is still on the board.

My real beef with Mr. Krause:

He broke up the Bulls dynasty before it was time. We could have 5 or 6 peated.

Michael Jordan should be a part owner in the BULLS and never have worn another uniform.

These are unforgivable sins. Krause must go!
he had help, ya know. It wasnt all JK.
 

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Trading McDyess is quite a bit different than trading Brand.
I am thinking New York took a huge risk in trading for Antonio.
Questions abound about not only his contract(his option) but his knee. For a player that relies on his hops that question mark is freekin huge.

Brand didn't have any questions marks other than a contract that was up after TWO seasons. He certainly wasn't a high flyer with a bad wheel.
 

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Originally posted by L.O.B
I admit it, I have bashed Jerry in the past. I will bash him in the future.

I will say that Jerry is a survior, for no one else would of lasted as GM with those 4 horrible seasons. Maybe this upcoming season will be a new day but it's a little early to order playoff tickets.

I will bash Jerry now.
Picking Rodger's with Boozer on the board? Jr could be exciting and a solid 2, but didn't we need a big man? Rodgers' game reads like Hassell's, we already have Trenton. Boozer plays D and rebounds similar to a Dukie of old, we don't have one of those ;)
Then again, it's only a 2nd round pick. One day it won't be a lock that 2nd rounders make the team ;)
I assume you mean Mason when you say Rodgers.... Well, his game doesn't read like Trenton Hassell's, I wish people would quit saying that. He is a PG/SG and has good size for the point much like Jamal...

Boozer? Why? He was a 6'9" Center in college that has no jumpshot and his whole game is based on power and dominating inside. Do you think that will translate to the NBA? I don't...


Also, for others concerned, we are going to address the frontcourt via Free Agency. I would like to make a run at Malik Rose personally...
 

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While there were other players I would have liked to have seen us get at 31 (Yarborough, Maddox, Grizzard, Gadzuric) I do think Roger Mason Jr is a pretty good player. I'm more concerned about the glut at the 2 position, we have several solid 2's and not one outstanding 2. Baxter was a very good pick at 44 IMO.

I think a lot of the people who are calling for Krause's head just want to automatically blame Krause for singlehandedly dismantling the dynasty and this just wasn't the case. The only thing Krause did was refuse to retire and give his job (a job that he does well) to PJ. I don't blame him for that. PJ & MJ were both offered exorbinant contracts to stay with the Bulls and they both turned them down. If anytone is responsible to blame for dismantling the dynasty more blame should be attributed to PJ, MJ and even Pippen IMO.
 

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He might be a very good combo guard but where will he get minutes? Between ERob and his big toe and contract, Jalen, Jamal, Trenton and now Williams I think we have the 2 and 3 tied up. We also have the point tied up for the future with Jay and Jamal, what we need is a mentor to back up at point(Timmy?) not another young point guard.

Unless Mason has a hell of a camp he doesn't make the club. If he makes the team , he'll take over AJ's role. How's that elbow feeling Jr? ;)

Maybe Boozer isn't the anserw for a backup big man, but a combo guard certainly doesn't reslove the problem. The Bulls need grit and a big body, I just saw those tangibles in Carlos, hell Archiabld would of been fine. We needed big, we drafted small when big bodies where available.
 

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http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-020626morrissey.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines

Playoffs? Lets talk .500 first

Let's face it, draft night is always an adventure for the franchise that once selected Lonny Kluttz (1970) and Chubby Cox (1978).

But the Bulls made their pick without any apparent belly-flopping or banana-slipping Wednesday, using the second choice overall to select Duke guard Jay (nee Jason) Williams.

There is nothing wrong with the Williams pick, just as there would have been nothing wrong with a Mike Dunleavy pick, a Drew Gooden pick or the ever-popular Maybyner "Nene" Hilario pick.

But Wednesday was another big reminder of how long the Bulls' rebuilding has taken and how long it is going to take. Williams is a fine player, but to expect that he'll be able to turn around the Bulls anytime soon is ludicrous.

I know what the talk is going to be among the true believers Thursday morning: Williams and Trenton Hassell at guard, Jalen Rose and Tyson Chandler at forward, and Eddy Curry at center. Playoff talk.

I would suggest some sort of medication adjustment.

Let's start with age first. Williams is 20. Hassell is 23. Curry and Chandler are each 19. Rose, at 29, is going to have to start collecting Pampers coupons. "We're going to be together for a while," Chandler said. "We're young and there are a lot of veteran teams. We've got young, lively legs. It's going to be difficult at the beginning of the season, but hopefully all that stuff wears off."

With a gleam in his eye, Chandler talks about being on a fast break with Williams and Rose next season. I think about Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson waiting for them.

Let's move onto NBA potential. Are you fully sold on Curry and Chandler, who are a little more than a year removed from high school basketball careers? I'm not. Chandler shows exceptional athleticism and a willingness to work, but he remains an unknown commodity. Curry has a long way to go too.

Williams can play, and he's strong. But I get a little concerned when the Bulls' top draft pick is only a little taller than NBA Commissioner David "Spud" Stern.

Jamal Crawford has more press clippings about his potential than he has NBA minutes. So far, the fact that Michael Jordan has fallen in love with Crawford's game is Crawford's biggest credential.

Chandler wouldn't have any of this Wednesday night, predicting that the Bulls would be at least .500 next season. Williams' fire was raging as well.

"I've talked to a lot of NBA guys," he said on a conference call. "When teams went into Chicago the past few years, the main thing they were thinking about was, 'There's a great restaurant here' or 'We can go to a nightclub here.'

"Back in the [championship era] when you came to Chicago, it was like, 'I better get my rest because I'm playing the Bulls tomorrow.' I'm trying to get that back to Chicago."

What Williams has going for him, besides his leadership ability, is his eagerness to play here. Four years after the ugly break-up of the Bulls, not everyone views the Berto Center as a maximum-security prison. Williams spent the past month politicking to play for the Bulls and, because of it, having his temperature taken.

(Fresno State's Melvin Ely, who attended Thornton High School, went to the Los Angeles Clippers with the 12th pick. What does he plan to do now that he's a pro? "Whatever I do, get my mother out of Harvey," he said. Hello, Harvey!)

Draft night is about optimism, so don't let me dump fire retardants on your enthusiasm. But this team needs more veterans, if for nothing else than to make a beer run. The Bulls are a few years away from even knowing what they have.

Let's set our sights a little lower. The best thing here is that Williams helps bring more legitimacy to the Bulls, a process that started with Rose's acquisition from Indiana.

Maybe now free agents don't think of reasons why they shouldn't come to Chicago. Maybe now they think less about Jerry Krause and more about Williams.

It was hard to shake the image of Krause getting the news early Wednesday that Yao Ming would be going to Houston with the first pick, thus making the Bulls' decision easy.

"An agent woke me up at 5:30 in the morning," Krause said. "My wife and I were sleeping. I rolled over and told her what happened, and she hugged me. And we all felt pretty good." He laughed.

I'd prefer to think about Williams' scoring abilities.
 

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He might be a very good combo guard but where will he get minutes? Between ERob and his big toe and contract, Jalen, Jamal, Trenton and now Williams I think we have the 2 and 3 tied up. We also have the point tied up for the future with Jay and Jamal, what we need is a mentor to back up at point(Timmy?) not another young point guard.

Unless Mason has a hell of a camp he doesn't make the club. If he makes the team , he'll take over AJ's role. How's that elbow feeling Jr? ;)

Maybe Boozer isn't the anserw for a backup big man, but a combo guard certainly doesn't reslove the problem. The Bulls need grit and a big body, I just saw those tangibles in Carlos, hell Archiabld would of been fine. We needed big, we drafted small when big bodies where available.
You are missing the point. He was by far the best player left on Krause's board. He will probably take over AJ's role, which isn't a bad thing. Not all of our players can get good minutes... Boozer wouldn't help us at all and we are addressing the frontcourt via free agency, like I have said numerous times.
 

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I just disagree with you on Boozer. I think he will be able to play in this league. I also think his size and power inside game is exacltly what the Bulls are missing. On this roster, who has shown the ability to get rebounds? Hassell doesn't count ;)
 

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For the 5th time, the frontcourt will be dealt with via free agency.....


Boozer is 6'9" with no ball skills or jumpshot. He will struggle...
 

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I understand the Bulls have interest in Scott Williams but haven't heard of any other PF/C that would help the Bulls via free agency.

KC, I am new over here but at least I am consistent, I like players that play defense and get boards. This is also a reason why I don't feel real comfortable w/ our current back up @ 4.

Maybe we can get a big rebounder via a trade if ScottWilliams choses to go else where.
 

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Here is a short list of Unrestricted FA's that could help us at the 4:

Scott Williams
Corie Blount
Popeye Jones
Gary Trent
Kevin Willis
Darvin Ham
Malik Rose
Donyell Marshall

That is just unrestricted, there are plenty of restricted FA's that could help us as well.... We will be fine....
 
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