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At this point...In my opinion there is a VERY short list of whom POR should definitely keep...I wrote them down in my order and in 5 different groups....I think Nash\Pattersen & Allen ALL deserve blame, even if Allen was the guy making the final push\call they ALL have erred greatly, the only way this team will get better is by recognizing and actively rectifying their prior mistakes (and I am not talking the draft)...

I wil preface the 1st list by saying that NO player is untouchable at this point, but given an unbelievable offer there are 3 guys (IMO) that POR needs to hang onto...

Guys POR should definitely keep (in order)
Webster
Telfair
Jack

Guys POR should try and keep
Khryapa
Pryzbilla

Guys I could give\take POR keeping
Skinner
Ha

Guys POR should look to deal if possible
Zach
Outlaw
Blake
Dixon

Guys POR NEEDS to deal
Miles
Theo

Lenard is going to be given his walking papers anyway...so he is not on the list....


One thing the top 7 guys I listed all have in common is they are all hard workers and haven't given up (niether has Blake, Dixon, Outlaw for the most part, either)

I think 1 of the 3 PG probably needs to go and Blake makes the most sense to me, I just think Telfair/Jack's upside and age are too significant to ignore....

Webster is #1 on my "do not deal" list, very young, and considering that youthj he has improved tremendously...the best thing the team has going for it, which is a pretty sad thing....

I don't think Khryapa will ever be starter material on a good team, but he is an "intangibles" player and I would prefer POR keep him, but if the team could get a good player\pick by including him in a deal then they should consider it...keeping him isn't nearly as much of a deal breaker for me as the 1st 3 players...

I would prefer POR keep Pryzbilla, although think his future here, at this point looks very iffy...make him the best MARKET VALUE deal you can and hope that he decides to stay, but I wouldn't hold my breath....

HA is still a long term project, so you keep him, but if he is needed to be a part of a deal to bring in a player etc...of value, then you deal him....

Skinner...well if Pryz walks, he may be our starting center next year...I like him, he works hard, doesn't complain and gives effort...not the most talented player, but he doesn't suck either...Hold onto him as a prefernece, but again, if he is needed as part of a larger deal, then you deal him...

Blake I already mentioned...Dixon I could give or take, but his size really hurts the team in the backcourt, on a better team he would have more usefulness, but on this team all he does is take away time from younger players with no aprreciable gain (wins) for the team...

If your going to deal a young player...Outlaw is the guy...He has been here 3 years now, and has shown little appreciable gain, and sorry I don't give him credit by going from "Hell no you can't play that guy" to "Alright let's see what he can do"....I just think the bottom line for Travis is that he is too tentative & has suspect bball IQ....While I don't advocate dealing young players away, he has had 3 years and has shown little IMO...IF your going to dangle a young player to rid yourself of a Miles\Theo or get another young player\draft pick this is your bait....

I think POR SHOULD look to deal Zach, but realize that he probably will be here next year, and as long as Miles and Theo are gone, it may be wortth seeing how he acts\behaves w\o any co-conspirators or like minded guys around him...The question is whether or not Zach will "tow the line" if the rest of the team is....I thinking waiting a year (as long as it is w\o Miles) and seeing how Zach responds is worth waiting on...

That being said, if POR can find a sweet deal for another player and\or a high lottery pick this year (hello CHI...:gopray: ) then they shouldn't be afraid to pull the triggger....I seriously am beginning to thnk that if Nate had his way, Zach would be gone in the offseason....

How depresseed must Nash have been when (if true) the Miles\Theo for Penny\pick deal was shot down by Allen....Unfortunately for POR, I think to deal either guy now, they are going to have to take a non-expirng contract back..I think both ABSOLUTELY have to go, the question is what can POR get for them? A short contract and a pick at this point would be great, but the process may be a little more painful the 2nd time around...Nash or whomever the GM is will definitely have their work cut out for them here...

I think Miles may be a little easier to deal than Theo, given his age and smaller (relatively speaking) contract...IF we could deal Miles for a player and a pick, that would be perfect....Theo is going to have to be peddled to a more veteran laden team looking for a shot blocker specialist...and that list isn't too big....NY & DAL come to mind...but I doubt POR will be able to get the expiring contract they seek when they deal him, at this point a contract 1-2 years less and a semi-useful player should not be frowned upon...if they can get better...great...but I am not holding my hopes up...

Those are my thoughts, I think this team is at rock bottom, or damm near close enougg to see it, and the only way up starts with rectifying some of their past mistakes...or somehow survive a miserable 06-07 and hope to get lucky with Oden, Durant or Brandan Wright....

I think POR may be headed there regardless of what they do\whom they draft this year, but if they do deal some of the guys I mentioned above, at least IMO, they will be in a better state than they would be if they still had those guys on the team or dealt the wrong guys away.....
 

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My list goes as follows.

Keepers.

Webster
Telfair
Jack
Outlaw

Should Keep

Khryapa

Everyone else should be gone.


I like Joel, but he isn't worth what other teams will offer him

Miles, Zach, Dixon, Theo should be fire saled

Blake should be gone because of the numbers game
Skinner whatever
Ha never more than a project


All this being said, no one on the roster is untouchable as long as you are bring back young all stars. Nomore Jermaine for DD trades please.
 

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STAY:
Webster
Outlaw
Pryzbilla (depending on price)
Telfair
Jack
Khryapa
Dixon
Skinner
Ha

GO:
Theo
Zach
Miles
Blake (wouldnt mind him staying, I just like the upside of Jack and Telfair more)
Lenard
 

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I've got a different criteria for my lists.

Keepers:
Telfair
Webster
Kryapa
Jack

Trade them if you can get value:
Zach
Dixon
Blake (Not because of the numbers game. I think 3 point guards is a good number of guys to have. But because I think his value is inflated and we might be able to get something of use for him.)
Outlaw

Get them the hell out of town:
Theo
Miles

But in all honesty everyone could go and I wouldn't feel sad. I mean, we are the worst team in the league. There isn't any other team that I wouldn't trade our whole roster for in a heart beat. Even Atlanta has a decent squad in comparison. OK, I might not trade with the Knicks.
 

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Guys POR should definitely keep
Webster
Telfair
Jack
Ha
Kryapha
Outlaw
Skinner
Pryz if possible
Draft tyrus thomas or big baby or jo kim noah.Get a sg in fa like kareem rush.If nate would of ran a total youth lineup we would be in a better situation now.Now nate has wasted time he could of got the young players develop and it will take longer and indure more losing seasons.






Guys POR should look to deal if possible
Zach
Blake
Dixon

Guys POR NEEDS to deal
Miles
Theo
 

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My list are simliar yet I would throw Telfair in the "possibly go" list. I think he may be overvalued around the league and thus we might be able to fetch something nice for him in a trade scenario or if we packaged him along with Miles or Zbo.
 

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My list is similar to those already posted:

Definately Keep - long term investments of time
Webster
Telfair
Jack

Try to Keep
Przybilla - we can ONLY offer the $5M MLE IN JULY - nothing more, even for sign&trade.
Khryapa

Pawns to move or keep
Zach
Blake
Dixon
Outlaw
Skinner - although he might be our starter next season by default!!!!!!!!
Ha - still a project with promise
Nedzad - still a project with promise

Need to Deal
Miles - not the sharpest tack in the bulletin board
Theo - he's given up and doesn't want to be in a rebuild situation

Will leave on his own
Lenard

Play with the Pawns however we need to improve this team - keeping in mind we don't want back to just the playoffs and not have flexibility to get better. The best teams have a KEY guy they build around. We don't have that guy yet. We're paying one (Zach) in his place until he arrives.
 
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sa1177 said:
My list are simliar yet I would throw Telfair in the "possibly go" list. I think he may be overvalued around the league and thus we might be able to fetch something nice for him in a trade scenario or if we packaged him along with Miles or Zbo.

My take on Telfair is similar. I have watched enough of Telfair for me to be convinced he is not a phenom who is going to take the league by storm. Telfair is a project and has a way to go before becoming a quality starting point guard. If you can get something for his flash and youth now, get it. If not, then they should keep him around and continue to try to develop him.
 

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My take on Telfair.......If you can get something for his flash and youth now, get it. If not, then they should keep him around and continue to try to develop him.
Of course you can get something for him - something valued similar to a 13th pick or $1.7M. Not much. You don't get back a player who will start for your team. He needs to stay and be developed.
 

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Only Webster and Telfair are considered untouchable to me. Everyone else needs to go starting with Miles, Zach and Theo, in that order.

What I'd like to see happen:
Przybilla sign and trade plus Kryhapa to Chicago for Chandler?
Steve Blake + 2nd rounder to Cleveland for Luke Jackson?
Zach Randolph + Juan Dixon to Washington for Antawn Jamison and a throw in?
Just cut Darius Miles since I can't see any team dumb enough to take him in since the Babcock brothers are out of the league. Gee I wish they have the "Allan Houston" exception this summer to use on Miles...

I know none of these will happen. Just dreams...
 

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Keepers.

Webster....the future
Telfair....See: Webster
Blake....Holding down the fort relatively well until Telfair's ready to take over completely.
Khyrapa...Not the greatest numbers, but tons of intangible worth.
Pryzbilla...He'll cost big, but he's worth it.

Should Keep

Ha...a project, but a project with a huge potential upside.

Everyone else should be gone.

Miles and Zach, in particular, can't be gone soon enough--and have them take Outlaw with them as they leave.

Laurie
 

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Only Webster and Telfair are considered untouchable to me. Everyone else needs to go starting with Miles, Zach and Theo, in that order.

What I'd like to see happen:
Przybilla sign and trade plus Kryhapa to Chicago for Chandler?
Steve Blake + 2nd rounder to Cleveland for Luke Jackson?
Zach Randolph + Juan Dixon to Washington for Antawn Jamison and a throw in?
Just cut Darius Miles since I can't see any team dumb enough to take him in since the Babcock brothers are out of the league. Gee I wish they have the "Allan Houston" exception this summer to use on Miles...

I know none of these will happen. Just dreams...
Untouchable....no one on this team is good enough to be "untouchable" IMO.
 

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Of course you can get something for him - something valued similar to a 13th pick or $1.7M. Not much. You don't get back a player who will start for your team. He needs to stay and be developed.
Agree, you aren't going to get back a starting point guard trading Telfair, and if that is where the Blazer bar is to trade Telfair, then they will be stuck trying to develop him. My suggestion is to set the bar lower. I don't study the NBA enough, but maybe another player with potential that hasn't worked out somewhere else.
 

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...Przybilla sign and trade plus Kryhapa to Chicago for Chandler?
Salaries don't come close. We can only offer Joel (even in sign&trade) $5M for MLE. Joel & Kryapa equal about $6.1M. Chandler equals $8.5M.

Steve Blake + 2nd rounder to Cleveland for Luke Jackson?
Another small forward who hasn't distinquished himself???? Just cause he's a ex-Duck?


Zach Randolph + Juan Dixon to Washington for Antawn Jamison and a throw in?
Although it could work salary cap wise.........why? Antawn would become our star?? He's more of a bit player than Zach is. He's not one to build around.

Let's hope Nash & Co. have more creative ideas to rescue this team. The above ideas are a sure way to change for change sake - but not get more than 15 games better in wins.
 

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Keepers.

Webster....the future
Telfair....See: Webster
Blake....Holding down the fort relatively well until Telfair's ready to take over completely.
Khyrapa...Not the greatest numbers, but tons of intangible worth.
Pryzbilla...He'll cost big, but he's worth it.

Should Keep

Ha...a project, but a project with a huge potential upside.

Everyone else should be gone.

Miles and Zach, in particular, can't be gone soon enough--and have them take Outlaw with them as they leave.

Laurie

A few questions.

1. What makes Joel "worth it" to you. The guy is oft injured and one dimentional
2. Why do you want Travis to be gone. If Ha has a huge upside, Travis is off the charts
3. Where is Jack on your list
 

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Salaries don't come close. We can only offer Joel (even in sign&trade) $5M for MLE. Joel & Kryapa equal about $6.1M. Chandler equals $8.5M.



Another small forward who hasn't distinquished himself???? Just cause he's a ex-Duck?




Although it could work salary cap wise.........why? Antawn would become our star?? He's more of a bit player than Zach is. He's not one to build around.

Let's hope Nash & Co. have more creative ideas to rescue this team. The above ideas are a sure way to change for change sake - but not get more than 15 games better in wins.
Agreed Jamison is not a player to build a team around but he is still a much much better player then Renadolph. He certainly is not a "bit" player anymore then Randolph either. Jamison's game is much more multi-dimensional then Zach is IMO.
 

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Agreed Jamison is not a player to build a team around but he is still a much much better player then Renadolph. He certainly is not a "bit" player anymore then Randolph either. Jamison's game is much more multi-dimensional then Zach is IMO.
QFT.
 

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Should Keep
Martell Webster- Our future starting SG; born in 87'
Sebastion Telfair- Our future starting PG; born in 85'
Jarrett Jack- Our future super-sub at the guard positions

Try To Keep
Viktor Khryapa- Great do-it-all player; will be a good sub at forward once this team gets good(when? I dont know)
Joel Pryzbilla- We should offer him the MLE, if he doesnt take it then so be it
Ha Seung Jin- Still has a long, long way to go but with his size I would keep him until he is at least 25 and we are positive he is going to suck
Brian Skinner- Good and cheap backup PF/C that expires after next season

Should Be Moved
Steve Blake- Buy low, sell high. Not to mention he will be in the same position as Joel after next season and someone will definatley overpay
Juan Dixon- Ewwww, volume shooter that cant play D, a dime a dozen
Travis Outlaw- I honestly think that we should deal him if we can get good value, I also think he is overvalued by both Blazer fans and other NBA teams

Must Move
Zach Randolph- Not worth the $, plays no D and is somehow getting worse as he gets older. Not a hard worker, not a high IQ player and just not a Nate fit.
Theo Ratliff- Overrated, overpaid and getting worse by the minute
Darius Miles- Im pretty sure everyone agrees here
 
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