If you are talking Prime Zo, give me Zo. If you are talking Zo right now, give me Zo.
Who would you rather have controlling your paint? Alonzo or Big Ben?
Who is the man "down low"(no pun intended)?
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Zo. I wouldnt mind having Big Ben either but his lack of size will be at a disadvantage sometimes
Currently, if you need heavy minutes its Wallace, and in spurts its Zo
Zo by a mile. In the playoffs only. Because Zo can play 40 minutes a game (proved it earlier this year) but he can't do it for 82 games.
I think Alonzo Mourning is the more gifted defender, even now, though he clearly can no longer give you the minutes of a true starter. He's just as dangerous a shot-blocking presence (perhaps even more dangerous), as good a rebounder (at least judging from his prime, it's hard to compare his rebounding to a starter today) and a superior individual post defender.
The sole edge I'd give to Ben Wallace is that he's better if he ends up on a perimeter player. But that's such a small thing that it really doesn't matter much in the big picture.
The sole edge I'd give to Ben Wallace is that he's better if he ends up on a perimeter player. But that's such a small thing that it really doesn't matter much in the big picture.
Big Ben for sure. He can play more minutes, stays healthier, and is younger. He's also a better rebounder for the most part.
Big Ben.
mostly because my paint is in houston, not miami, which means Zo wouldnt care enough defend it.
Go NeTs
mostly because my paint is in houston, not miami, which means Zo wouldnt care enough defend it.
Go NeTs
Zo. This guy forces you to change your entire game plan. Ben only makes you adjust.
Ben.
Zo can't play enough minutes. He wouldn't hold up as a starting center over 82 games and the playoffs.
Plus unless you are Miami, Zo won't play for you, he'll just demand a trade and refused to show up whereever he goes.
Zo showed his true punk colors in New Jersey.
He's a great force for Miami though. He changes games for them.
Sometimes I hope he gets punched in the kidneys though, because he's a ****ing idiot.
Zo can't play enough minutes. He wouldn't hold up as a starting center over 82 games and the playoffs.
Plus unless you are Miami, Zo won't play for you, he'll just demand a trade and refused to show up whereever he goes.
Zo showed his true punk colors in New Jersey.
He's a great force for Miami though. He changes games for them.
Sometimes I hope he gets punched in the kidneys though, because he's a ****ing idiot.
to put on my team right now.. ben.
simply for longevity.
in their prime, or even just injury-less ill take zo, just his defensive instinct is scary.
simply for longevity.
in their prime, or even just injury-less ill take zo, just his defensive instinct is scary.
Mourning is just too annoying, I couldn't possibly cheer for him no matter how well he played for my team. I'd have to go with Wallace
From a pure basketball standpoint, I still would go for Wallace, though only because of the health thing - remove that and Mourning seems like a pretty easy pick in my view.
From a pure basketball standpoint, I still would go for Wallace, though only because of the health thing - remove that and Mourning seems like a pretty easy pick in my view.
I've always liked your posts.futuristxen said:Ben.
Zo can't play enough minutes. He wouldn't hold up as a starting center over 82 games and the playoffs.
Plus unless you are Miami, Zo won't play for you, he'll just demand a trade and refused to show up whereever he goes.
Zo showed his true punk colors in New Jersey.
He's a great force for Miami though. He changes games for them.
Sometimes I hope he gets punched in the kidneys though, because he's a ****ing idiot.
Ben, unless we're talking prime wise.
Big Ben. Good player, good person, and he's got good kidneys.
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Without the kidney problems it's Zo without a doubt.
With the kidney problems it's Big Ben without a doubt.
It's clear even now to see how good Zo was even when he plays limited minutes. He is/was a dominator in the paint.
Without the kidney problems it's Zo without a doubt.
With the kidney problems it's Big Ben without a doubt.
It's clear even now to see how good Zo was even when he plays limited minutes. He is/was a dominator in the paint.
I wouldn't say so. You make a deal with a team, they say, "sign with us, and be part of a contender." You sign, they turn around and decide that they need to start cutting salary and look to start rebuilding. They haven't held their end of the bargain. Sure it's not on paper, but it's still signing someone under false pretenses. From jump street Zo wanted to play with Kidd, because he knew with Kidd, RJ and Kenyon, and two finals appearances under their belt, they could dominate the East.futuristxen said:Ben.
Zo can't play enough minutes. He wouldn't hold up as a starting center over 82 games and the playoffs.
Plus unless you are Miami, Zo won't play for you, he'll just demand a trade and refused to show up whereever he goes.
Zo showed his true punk colors in New Jersey.
He's a great force for Miami though. He changes games for them.
Sometimes I hope he gets punched in the kidneys though, because he's a ****ing idiot.
He's annoying when he flexes, but when you think about it, he's NEVER really done that before, before he had the kidney problem. So I really can't sit in judgement of the man for what he does, he could very well have never been able to play again. No matter what he does on the court as far as flexing, he deserves it, only because he's worked so hard against all odds to come back. Remember when Sean Elliot came back? He could barely handle it.
I have the utmost respect for Zo for doing what he did, as far as rehabbing. He shouldn't have to waste his efforts on a team that doesn't CARE (as the NETS brass were for that short moment in time) about winning, so why should he care to stay there?
It's not as simple as comparing it to any other player, the man is playing on borrowed time - athletically speaking.
As for the last comment. Tell you what, why don't you go try and punch Zo in the kidney's yourself. I'd pay for your airfare. I won't pay for your hospital bills, that will be for your lawyer and Zo's lawyer to figure out. I wont pay for any reconstructive surgery either.
Right now, Ben. Mourning isn't going to be able to play 35+ mpg for a full season.
In his prime, however, Zo was better defensively, though not by a large margin.
In his prime, however, Zo was better defensively, though not by a large margin.
Actually, Ben Wallace was easily the better rebounder. Zo's rebound rate was 16-17, while Wallace's was 19-23.Minstrel said:He's... as good a rebounder (at least judging from his prime, it's hard to compare his rebounding to a starter today)
First off, I don't think any disease gives you carte blanche to act like a fool. And Zo has been since coming back. He's like Karl Malone in that he doesn't care what he does to the other players. Say he seriously injures another player trying to act hard? Is that okay just because he has kidney problems? Hopefully the NBA will catch up to his game and start giving him flagrants like they gave Kenyon and Arest a few years back.Tragedy said:As for the last comment. Tell you what, why don't you go try and punch Zo in the kidney's yourself. I'd pay for your airfare. I won't pay for your hospital bills, that will be for your lawyer and Zo's lawyer to figure out. I wont pay for any reconstructive surgery either.
As far as kidney punches, I don't want to punch him in the kidneys. But the other night I wouldn't have had a problem if Anderson Verejao kicked him there. You can play hard but still be a porfessional. Zo is not a professional on the court.
I look forward to when Ben and Zo go at it in the ECF, because Ben has just as much a tendency to overeact and cheap shot someone.
Both guys should be tested for steriods, because they both have serious roid rage.
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