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Who's the best swingman in the league?Rank them with these features
Candidates:
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
LeBron James
Paul Pierce
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Features:
Leadership+
Responsibility+
Clutch Performance+
Defence+
Shooting+
Passing+
Rebounding+
Athleticism+
Reputation+

Total=


Ok,here's mine

Kobe Bryant:
Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+10
Defence+9
Shooting+8
Passing+8
Rebounding+6
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=77

Tracy McGrady:

Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+7
Shooting+8
Passing+8
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+9
Reputation+9

Total=75

LeBron James:

Leadership+8
Responsibility+7
Clutch Performance+7
Defence+7
Shooting+7
Passing+10
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=73

Paul Pirece

Leadership+8
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+6
Shooting+7
Passing+6
Rebounding+9
Athleticism+8
Reputation+7

Total=67

Vince Carter:

Leadership+6
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+7
Defence+5
Shooting+7
Passing+7
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+10
Reputation+9

Total=66

Ray Allen:

Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+5
Shooting+10
Passing+7
Rebounding+5
Athleticism+8
Reputation+7

Total=65


My List
1.Kobe
2.Tracy
3.LeBron
4.Pierce
5.Carter
6.Allen
 

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I don't mean to be a hater but a +7 for LeBron's clutch rating is too high. Are we ranking them on this season or their overall career? If it's overall career then your ranking of the players look accurate to me bbasok.
 

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Kobe Bryant:
Leadership+6
Responsibility+10
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+8
Shooting+8
Passing+7
Rebounding+6
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=73

Tracy McGrady:
Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+7
Shooting+8
Passing+7
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+9
Reputation+9

Total=71

LeBron James:
Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+6
Defence+7
Shooting+8
Passing+9
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=74

Paul Pirece
Leadership+9
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+6
Shooting+8
Passing+6
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+8
Reputation+8

Total=70

Vince Carter:
Leadership+7
Responsibility+7
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+5
Shooting+8
Passing+6
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+10
Reputation+10

Total=69

Ray Allen:
Leadership+8
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+6
Shooting+10
Passing+6
Rebounding+6
Athleticism+7
Reputation+8

Total=67

My List
1 LeBron
2 Kobe
3 Tracy
4 Pierce
5 Carter
6 Allen
 

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Kobe Bryant:
Leadership+8
Responsibility+10
Clutch Performance+9
Defence+8
Shooting+8
Passing+7
Rebounding+6
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=75

Tracy McGrady:

Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+7
Shooting+8
Passing+8
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+9
Reputation+9

Total=74

LeBron James:

Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+5
Defence+6
Shooting+7
Passing+9
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+10
Reputation+10

Total=72

Paul Pirece

Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+7
Shooting+7
Passing+6
Rebounding+9
Athleticism+7
Reputation+7

Total=68

Vince Carter:

Leadership+6
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+7
Defence+6
Shooting+8
Passing+7
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+10
Reputation+9

Total=68

Ray Allen:

Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+8
Defence+5
Shooting+10
Passing+6
Rebounding+5
Athleticism+7
Reputation+7

Total=63


My List
1. Kobe
2. T-Mac
3. LeBron
4. Pierce
(tie) Carter
6. Allen
 

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Kobe Bryant
Leadership: 7
Responsibility: 10
Clutch Performance: 9
Defense: 8
Shooting: 8
Passing: 6
Rebounding: 6
Athleticism: 10
Reputation: 10
Total: 74

Tracy McGrady (Healthy)
Leadership: 8
Responsibility: 9
Clutch Performance: 10
Defense: 7
Shooting: 8
Passing: 7
Rebounding: 7
Athleticism: 9
Reputation: 9
Total: 74

LeBron James
Leadership: 7
Responsibility: 10
Clutch Performance: 4
Defense: 5
Shooting: 8
Passing: 8
Rebounding: 8
Athleticism: 10
Reputation: 10
Total: 70

Paul Pierce
Leadership: 8
Responsibility: 10
Clutch Performance: 8
Defense: 7
Shooting: 8
Passing: 7
Rebounding: 7
Athleticism: 7
Reputation: 9
Total: 71

Vince Carter
Leadership: 5
Responsibility: 8
Clutch Performance: 9
Defense: 6
Shooting: 8
Passing: 6
Rebounding: 7
Athleticism: 10
Reputation: 10
Total: 69

Ray Allen
Leadership: 8
Responsibility: 10
Clutch Performance: 8
Defense: 6
Shooting: 10
Passing: 6
Rebounding: 5
Athleticism: 8
Reputation: 8
Total: 69

1. Kobe Bryant/Tracy McGrady
2. Kobe Bryant/Tracy McGrady
3. Paul Pierce
4. LeBron James
5. Vince Carter/Ray Allen
6. Vince Carter/Ray Allen
 

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Kobe Bryant:
Leadership+7
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+8
Defense+8
Shooting+8
Passing+8
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+9
Reputation+10

Total=74


Tracy McGrady:

Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+8
Defense+7
Shooting+8
Passing+7
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+9
Reputation+9

Total=71


LeBron James:

Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+7
Defense+6
Shooting+7
Passing+10
Rebounding+9
Athleticism+9
Reputation+9

Total=72


Paul Pirece

Leadership+8
Responsibility+9
Clutch Performance+8
Defense+6
Shooting+8
Passing+6
Rebounding+8
Athleticism+7
Reputation+8

Total=69


Vince Carter:

Leadership+6
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+7
Defence+5
Shooting+8
Passing+6
Rebounding+7
Athleticism+10
Reputation+9

Total=66


Ray Allen:

Leadership+7
Responsibility+8
Clutch Performance+7
Defence+6
Shooting+9
Passing+7
Rebounding+6
Athleticism+8
Reputation+8

Total=64


My List
1.Kobe
2.Lebron
3.T-Mac
4.Pierce
5.Carter
6.Allen[/QUOTE]
 

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SkywalkerAC said:
Much like Vince used to be a "shadow of his former self", I think Tmac's athleticism ranking should be scaled down till he's healthy again.

Why isn't Melo one of the candidates? I'd rank him ahead of Ray.
I'd give Melo a 9 or 10 in the clutch department.
 
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LeBron James

Leadership +8
Responsibility +9
Clutch Performance +7
Defense +6
Shooting +6
Passing +10
Rebounding +9
Athleticism +10
Reputation +9
Total=74


Kobe Bryant

Leadership +6
Responsibility +9
Clutch Performance +8
Defense +7
Shooting +8
Passing +7
Rebounding +7
Athleticism +8
Reputation +9
Total=69


Paul Pierce

Leadership +7
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +8
Defense +7
Shooting +7
Passing +7
Rebounding +9
Athleticism +7
Reputation +7
Total=67


Tracy McGrady

Leadership +5
Responsibility +9
Clutch Performance +7
Defense +7
Shooting +8
Passing +8
Rebounding +7
Athleticism +7
Reputation +8
Total=66


Vince Carter

Leadership +5
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +8
Defense +5
Shooting +8
Passing +7
Rebounding +5
Athleticism +9
Reputation +8
Total=63


Ray Allen

Leadership +7
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +7
Defense +4
Shooting +9
Passing +7
Rebounding +5
Athleticism +7
Reputation +8
Total=62


Ranking

1) LeBron
2) Kobe
3) Pierce
4) T-mac
5) Carter
6) Allen
 

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**** the numbers. I'm just going to rank them, when fully healthy.

1.Tracy McGrady
2. Paul Pierce
3. Kobe Bryant
4. LeBron James
5. Ray Allen
6. Vince Carter
 

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Kobe Bryant:
Leadership 8
Responsibility 10
Clutch Performance 9
Defence 9
Shooting 8
Passing 8
Rebounding 8
Athleticism 9
Reputation 10

Total=79

Tracy McGrady:

Leadership 7
Responsibility 9
Clutch Performance 9
Defence 7
Shooting 8
Passing 8
Rebounding 9
Athleticism 9
Reputation 9

Total=75

LeBron James:

Leadership 10
Responsibility 8
Clutch Performance 6
Defence 7
Shooting 7
Passing 10
Rebounding 10
Athleticism 10
Reputation 9

Total=77

Paul Pierce

Leadership 8
Responsibility 10
Clutch Performance 8
Defence 8
Shooting 8
Passing 7
Rebounding 10
Athleticism 7
Reputation 8

Total=74

Vince Carter:

Leadership 5
Responsibility 7
Clutch Performance 9
Defence 7
Shooting 9
Passing 9
Rebounding 7
Athleticism 10
Reputation 9

Total=62

Ray Allen:

Leadership 6
Responsibility 7
Clutch Performance 7
Defence 7
Shooting 10
Passing 7
Rebounding 7
Athleticism 8
Reputation 8

Total=55


My List
1.Kobe
2.LeBron
3.Tracy
4.Pierce
5.Carter
6.Allen[/QUOTE]
 

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Lebron James

Leadership +8
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +7
Defence +7
Shooting +8
Passing +9
Rebounding + 9
Athleticism + 9
Reputation + 9

Total= 74

Kobe Bryant

Leadership + 7
Responsibility +9
Clutch Performance +8
Defence +8
Shooting +8
Passing +7
Rebounding +7
Athleticism +8
Reputation +8

Total= 70

Vince Carter

Leadership +7
Responsibility +7
Clutch Performance +8
Defence +7
Shooting +8
Passing +7
Rebounding +8
Athleticism +9
Reputation +8

Total= 69

Tracy Mcgrady

Leadership +7
Responsibility +7
Clutch Performance +8
Defence +8
Shooting +8
Passing +7
Rebounding +8
Athleticism +8
Reputation +8

Total= 69

Paul Pierce

Leadership +8
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +8
Defence +7
Shooting +7
Passing +7
Rebounding +7
Athleticism +8
Reputation +8

Total= 68

Ray Allen

Leadership +8
Responsibility +8
Clutch Performance +8
Defence +7
Shooting +9
Passing +6
Rebounding +6
Athleticism +7
Reputation +8

Total= 67
 

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Anyone want to explain how T-Mac is as good a leader as Lebron? It's debatable how good a leader Kobe is too. Lebron would be a 10 in leadership. Kobe would be a 6, and T-Mac a 4. I've never seen T-Mac do anything but look sleepy on the court. He is one of those "lead by example" leaders, who aren't really leaders.

Anyhow, I'll try to come up with some rankings later on. This is hard ****ing work. The **** is wrong with you nerds? :clown:
 

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futuristxen said:
Anyone want to explain how T-Mac is as good a leader as Lebron? It's debatable how good a leader Kobe is too. Lebron would be a 10 in leadership. Kobe would be a 6, and T-Mac a 4. I've never seen T-Mac do anything but look sleepy on the court. He is one of those "lead by example" leaders, who aren't really leaders.

Anyhow, I'll try to come up with some rankings later on. This is hard ****ing work. The **** is wrong with you nerds? :clown:

T-Mac might always go out round 1, but he at least gets them to the playoffs.
Kobe has 3 rings. You can say it was Shaq, or whatever. Doesn't take them away from him.
LBJ still hasn't gotten there. Not only that, but being clutch is also part of it. How can you be a leader when you dissappear in the games big moment?
 

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How is VC a better rebounder than Pierce? Pierce averages 7.0 and Vince averages 5.8.
 

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Carbo04 said:
T-Mac might always go out round 1, but he at least gets them to the playoffs.
Kobe has 3 rings. You can say it was Shaq, or whatever. Doesn't take them away from him.
LBJ still hasn't gotten there. Not only that, but being clutch is also part of it. How can you be a leader when you dissappear in the games big moment?
What does any of that have to do with leadership? I'm talking about a guy who knows how to speak to this teammates and raise or lower their level of play. Not per se his own. A lot of guys can raise their own, but actual leaders can inspire their teammates to raise their play.

And being a leader isn't even about just in the games. It's the guy who gets the team going in practice and makes sure guys aren't slacking off. There's so many facets to it. And by all reports Lebron is one of the best leaders in the game on and off the court.

I mean, ESnow isn't clutch, hasn't got any rings, and didn't exactly lead philly by himself anywhere. But he's still a better leader than T-Mac or Kobe. Look at Avery Johnson with the Spurs. He wasn't great, but he was like a coach on the floor, and knew how to get the best out of his team.

Your definition of leadership is flawed against the talent on the actual team. You can be the best leader in the league, and that may only mean your team wins 20 games. But maybe your team is really only a 12 win team. Y'know.
 

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thug_immortal8 said:
How is VC a better rebounder than Pierce? Pierce averages 7.0 and Vince averages 5.8.


How is kobe a better rebounder than Vince?

5.8 to 5.3?
 
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