Duhon is probably overrated a little by a lot of Bulls fans, I think the situation is that his value here exceeds his talent, if that makes sense. He's the most easily replacable piece of our young core, but not having him for any given amount of time may hurt more than Deng, Noce, or Gordon. He is certainly valueable to this team and has a very reasonable contract. I don't think many here tout him as one of the leagues premiere pionts so my question to you david isdavid123 said:that was one game.
i highly doubt duhon will regularly post triple-doubles. in fact i highly doubt that duhon will shoot above 35% this year.
many laude duhon for his ball-handling abilites and low turnovers.. but people need to realize that poor shooting is the equivalent of repeatedly turning the ball over.
he really is the most overrated player on this board.
Ok first of all I don't think anyone on these boards is over-rating him... especially since I see like 3 Tyson bashing threads on one pagecharlietyra said:No, Chandler is the most overrated player on this board. However, I agree with your general point on Duhon.
I have a theory as to what is the underlying "business plan" of Reinsdorf, Paxson and Skiles as it relates to the Bulls' roster. The plan, in my opinion, is to forge a winning team based on 1) hustle, 2)defense and 3) the absence of superstar egos. They saw how less talented Olympic teams could beat NBA stars by playing team-oriented ball, and the Bulls' so called "brain trust" wants to emulate those teams. Pax and Skiles get hard-ons for overachieving players who don't cost too much and have the right "jib". Hence the addition of players like Songalia and Basden and the subtraction of players like Crawford and Curry.
Hinrich and Duhon are exactly the type of players that fit the mold, i.e. scrappy team players. I think Skiles and Pax, both guards during their NBA careers, see a bit of themselves in these players. Hence, Hinrich and Duhon are the darlings of the organization.
Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with the concept-up to a point. What Pax fails to understand is that you need size and athleticism to win in the NBA, besides hustle and the right jib. He pays lip service to this but does not do the things necessary to obtain those type of players. I am absolutely astonished that Pax did not try to get a big, veteran 2 guard during the summer. If he thinks he can win in the NBA with Duhon/Hinrich/Gordon as the backcourt he is nuts. The fact that they snuck up on teams last year was an aberration. Jerry Krauss was an absolute putz in his stubborn belief in his own powers. I am getting the feeling that Pax and Skiles, in their own way, are also stubbornly ego-centric.
Sir Patchwork said:And turning the ball over is the equivelant of not shooting, which is worse than poor shooting.
I think some have already forgotten that Duhon is playing injured right now. His knee bruise is a lingering problem. This can effect everything from his shot to his lateral movement defensively. Until he feels better, his minutes should be limited (20-25 per game), and either fill those minutes with Gordon, Pargo, or Basden.jimmy said:He's a low turnover, high assist point guard. I'm thinking his knee injury is hurting his defense because he is one of the better defenders on the team.
I really like Duhon but I get really angry when he's playing over Ben in the 4th.
we shouldn't even be playing pargo AT ALL... and i agree we should have basden play... he does bring that energy that we could use along with backcourt reboundingyodurk said:I think some have already forgotten that Duhon is playing injured right now. His knee bruise is a lingering problem. This can effect everything from his shot to his lateral movement defensively. Until he feels better, his minutes should be limited (20-25 per game), and either fill those minutes with Gordon, Pargo, or Basden.
Speaking of Basden, it's time to give this guy some minutes. In the 2 games he's played, he showed great energy. If we're getting burned by opposing guards, then Basden is the logical guy to throw out there. His defense is the one reason he was signed to this team.
i don't think duhon is clearly our best perimeter defender. it's incredibly difficult to measure a player's defensive abilities because there are no clear stats that one can look at.. sure steals and rebounds tell part of the story, but they don't give you the whole picture. as a result, players' defensive ability often times rests on their reputation... which at times is outdated or inaccurate. i've seen plenty of times where opposing guards get past duhon, basically have their way with him. and vice-versa, i've seen gordon put much more effort into his defensive game, and have noticed much improvement in that area of his game.ace20004u said:Duhon is clearly the best guy we have at setting guys up and running the offense. Clearly our best perimeter defender too. Also a vocal team leader. I don't know what else we should expect from him. Sure, Gordon can score and he is flashy but the guy, at this point, isn't a very good defender and he turns the ball over too much. We tried it with Ben starting and he went cold, crawled in a shell, disappeared, however you want to phrase it. Thats what the problem is with playing "paper" basketball, on paper, Gordon looks like a guy that should be getting heavy minutes but if you are his coach and you see him struggle most everytime he starts, what do you do? I bring him off of the bench and so does Skiles, why? Because it makes sense.
This logic makes no sense.truebluefan said:As for Gordon being a better guard? He may be in scoring. Mchale was a hell of a player for Boston, but the majority of his career was off of the bench. Was that because the starting pf for boston was better than Gordon?
So because a player succeeds in a bench role, a team should keep him there? Should he not be given a chance to succeed in a more primary role?truebluefan said:We need scoring from the bench. Gordon did very well last season playing that role.
This is the crux of my disagreement.He does more than stats show.