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wilkes was a very good player for a short period. he had his best season in '81 when magic missed more than half the season. had he had a full career playing at the level he did for that short period while winning championships we may have a discussion. he didn't. he was never as highly regarded as a player as worthy was (although he did play a big role on 2 title teams, including 37 in game 6 in '80).

worthy was a tremendous player on 3 title teams. he was pretty unstoppable, and extremely difficult to match up against. to big for smaller players, too quick for taller players. half court game or fast break game. he was best when the games were biggest. we're not comparing him to larry bird or magic johnson here. we're comparing him to dominque and dantley. wilkens was a better rebounder, worthy a better defender, imo. offensively, wilkens a better overall scorer, although far less efficient. dantley was a better scorer and incredibly efficient, but he also stagnated an offense and needed to dominate the ball.

pippen had his best season without jordan. that seems relevant. what's also relevant is that he was a dominant all-around player with jordan, and contributed heavily to 6 titles. he had back surgery in '98 and was never the same player, even with jordan. his lack of success afterwards is a strike against him, but doesn't erase all he accomplished before. jordan didn't make him a dominant defender (one of the best ever), an excellent rebounder, or a good ballhandler. he didn't make him a good 3 point shooter. pippen was the type of player you win with, who makes plays and doesn't need to dominate the ball.

nique and dantley and english were all excellent players. i'd personally rather have pippen or worthy. it's somewhat close, and their strengths are somewhat different.

again, i don't think you win with 'nique, dantley or english as your
#1. do you? if you don't, then who do you think serves you better as your #2? is it a relevant question? is it relevant to ask who gives you the best chance to build a champion? these guys weren't just good players in the right spot. they were great players who helped make their teams great.
 

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Originally posted by <b>kflo</b>!
wilkes was a very good player for a short period. he had his best season in '81 when magic missed more than half the season. had he had a full career playing at the level he did for that short period while winning championships we may have a discussion. he didn't. he was never as highly regarded as a player as worthy was (although he did play a big role on 2 title teams, including 37 in game 6 in '80).

worthy was a tremendous player on 3 title teams. he was pretty unstoppable, and extremely difficult to match up against. to big for smaller players, too quick for taller players. half court game or fast break game. he was best when the games were biggest. we're not comparing him to larry bird or magic johnson here. we're comparing him to dominque and dantley. wilkens was a better rebounder, worthy a better defender, imo. offensively, wilkens a better overall scorer, although far less efficient. dantley was a better scorer and incredibly efficient, but he also stagnated an offense and needed to dominate the ball.

It's about whose the best head-to-head, not who's the best fit or the luckiest. If ther were no Magic, Worthy would never have nmade the top 50. ditto Pippen/MJ.

pippen had his best season without jordan. that seems relevant. what's also relevant is that he was a dominant all-around player with jordan, and contributed heavily to 6 titles. he had back surgery in '98 and was never the same player, even with jordan. his lack of success afterwards is a strike against him, but doesn't erase all he accomplished before. jordan didn't make him a dominant defender (one of the best ever), an excellent rebounder, or a good ballhandler. he didn't make him a good 3 point shooter. pippen was the type of player you win with, who makes plays and doesn't need to dominate the ball.

nique and dantley and english were all excellent players. i'd personally rather have pippen or worthy. it's somewhat close, and their strengths are somewhat different.

again, i don't think you win with 'nique, dantley or english as your
#1. do you? if you don't, then who do you think serves you better as your #2? is it a relevant question? is it relevant to ask who gives you the best chance to build a champion? these guys weren't just good players in the right spot. they were great players who helped make their teams great.
 

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thats insane!!!



there is no way wilkins was better than pip

i'm not disputing Wilkins talent or him impact on 80's sportcenter highlights

but there is a reason pip is there and Dominique isn't

willingness to use his talent to simply win games

playing one side of the floor no matter how good you are at it shouldn't be enough and it isn't

wilkins had talent on his team more than enough to have more of an impact than he did in the playoffs but when it came down to it when did 'nique ever grab a key rebound make that defensive stop score that bucket or simply pass the ball to his numerous competent players (in his time he had Moses malone reggie theus doc rivers kevin willis all of whom were all-stars at some point and most at the same time if not all of them ) that would really say he earned his way on the top 50 ?

dominique wilikns had the supporting cast if he supplied the heorics people expected of him he may have made the list

pippen on the other hand was the best defensive small forward of his time threw in 20 a game and ran the best best off. of his era

other than score what were wilikins accomplishments?


thats why he and and players like bob macadoo (led the nba in scoring twice) dont make the cut but players like pippen and worthy did
It's not even close,pippen even admitted nique was the toughest guy he ever guarded,dominique was way better than pippen!!
 
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