I think Zoran's been more than numbers. His aggressiveness on offense and overall energy has really helped us during the winning streak.
Totally agree, but the numbers aint bad either.NJ Grand NJ said:I think Zoran's been more than numbers. His aggressiveness on offense and overall energy has really helped us during the winning streak.
Hold on with the Frank bashing. If Frank had accpeted the defensive effort Zoran and Murray were accustomed to...we could be worse off now. Not to mention MJax, who may be the worst defensive center I have ever seen.Hbwoy said:You just have to wonder that if Frank hadnt been so stubborn in the earlier parts of the season, the team could be pretty close to 50 wins right now
Very true. The Zoran people are appreciating on the court right now has been molded to some extent by Lawrence Frank. Like it or not.rundmc00 said:Hold on with the Frank bashing. If Frank had accpeted the defensive effort Zoran and Murray were accustomed to...we could be worse off now. Not to mention MJax, who may be the worst defensive center I have ever seen.
While his improved defense is nice, his best contributions are still on the offensive end and are the result of confidence. Confidence he would have had far earlier if he had been given some freedom to make mistakes. Especially considering how many mistakes McInnis was allowed to make.Netted- said:Very true. The Zoran people are appreciating on the court right now has been molded to some extent by Lawrence Frank. Like it or not.
His improved defense is more than nice. The old Zoran would either foul out in 10 minutes or give up more than he could help score. While I would have used Zoran more earlier, he was a liability in many cases.cpawfan said:While his improved defense is nice, his best contributions are still on the offensive end and are the result of confidence. Confidence he would have had far earlier if he had been given some freedom to make mistakes. Especially considering how many mistakes McInnis was allowed to make.
His defense was simply a matter of time. Again, in comparison to McInnis (who's playing time he would have taken), Zoran was no worse.rundmc00 said:His improved defense is more than nice. The old Zoran would either foul out in 10 minutes or give up more than he could help score. While I would have used Zoran more earlier, he was a liability in many cases.
"Defense is a matter of time." If only it was true.cpawfan said:His defense was simply a matter of time. Again, in comparison to McInnis (who's playing time he would have taken), Zoran was no worse.
Confidence does wonders for a player.
I totally agree with the confidence part and I think Frank could have worked better with Zoran, but you can't say Frank had no impact on making him the player he is and the player he will become.cpawfan said:His defense was simply a matter of time. Again, in comparison to McInnis (who's playing time he would have taken), Zoran was no worse.
Confidence does wonders for a player.
That isn't an absolute statement on my part, rather in specific regards to Zoran. He demonstrated more defensive effort during the summer than he had shown the season before.rundmc00 said:"Defense is a matter of time." If only it was true.
You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying Frank didn't have an impact on him, rather (and in violation of my looking forward policy) I'm saying Frank did him and the Nets a diservice by not letting him play through his mistakes.Netted- said:I totally agree with the confidence part and I think Frank could have worked better with Zoran, but you can't say Frank had no impact on making him the player he is and the player he will become.
That's like saying Pop's yelling had no impact on Parker or that it hurt his confidence which slowed down his growth. Popovich and Frank are not alike and Parker and Planinic are not alike, but my point is you can't constantly worry about a player's confidence and not instill some discipline as a result. Like I said, Frank could have absolutely handled Zoran better, but it doesn't negate what he's done for him.
And I agree with Run, defense is not always a matter of time. Particularly with a lot of European players, not all, but a lot.