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What sort of precedent is there for this? How often, if ever, do schools (especially with D1 athletics) merge like this?
It sounds very similar to when tiny Marlboro College here in Vermont “merged” with Emerson College in Boston a few years back. Basically the school shut down and the entirety of the existing endowment (which was actually fairly sizable) was given away to Emerson. I think Trustees just keep more of their ego when they do something like this vs shut down the school down entirely.

Will LaSalle try “merging” with St Joes or Villanova next?
 
It sounds very similar to when tiny Marlboro College here in Vermont “merged” with Emerson College in Boston a few years back. Basically the school shut down and the entirety of the existing endowment (which was actually fairly sizable) was given away to Emerson. I think Trustees just keep more of their ego when they do something like this vs shut down the school down entirely.

Will LaSalle try “merging” with St Joes or Villanova next?
St.joes already did a merge couple of years ago. University of the sciences, a college in Philadelphia merged with them. They had a Pretty descent D2 program. After the merge it got cut.
 
What is/where is “Queens University”?

The only school with that name I’m familiar with is the one in Ontario-assuming that’s not it if it’s merging with Elon.
 
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This kind of sucks for the current HS seniors. With the roster limits in place, its goign to be even more hard to find a college to commit. But good news for mid majors, now they have a good chance to land a high end recruit.
And also looks like no more Redshirt option. You get 5 years no matter what.
 


This kind of sucks for the current HS seniors. With the roster limits in place, its goign to be even more hard to find a college to commit. But good news for mid majors, now they have a good chance to land a high end recruit.
And also looks like no more Redshirt option. You get 5 years no matter what.
Now would be a great time, nationally, to invest in junior colleges, and athletics programs that can serve as a place for HS kids to go, play 1-2 years, and given the ruling on JC guys likely getting 4 years when they enter NCAA competition, it has the potential to allow them to keep playing, getting college credits, then going the NCAA route, and actually putting themselves on pace to possibly graduate on time...that's the main reason we're gonna get 5 years, graduation rates in the portal era are plummeting because guys are not having credits transfer over, or made up their mind they're going in the portal the second semester, so they get incompletes on their transcript. Add in that those who could graduate won't and will go play their final year somewhere else, taking like 2 online classes and only end up with an undergrad degree if they actually put the work toward it, when they ought to at least come away with a basic master's or a few post-grad certificates. This is happening at all levels.

Anyway, in the northeast in an ideal society, we'd have lawmakers recognizing the broader need for affordable public education in higher ed, combined with the fact we're seeing HS aged kids getting shut out at a higher rate from direct participation in NCAA sports, especially at the D1 level, and they'd turn some of these shuttered small private schools into community colleges that have athletics, and could create a competitive environment for these players to compete in, while also offering a core curriculum that would transfer just about anywhere, and maybe even have a few of these CCs provide more of a standard university setting with regard to what a typical underclassman might experience to offer an option for those seeking greater academic rigor.

Outside the general psycosis that has captured parents and their drive to spend six figures or more on getting their kid good enough to play a sport at a scholarship level in college, I gotta think the post-grad and prep year are losing their luster. That, and speaking to the money that is willing to be spent, society is facing a real issue of making sports only reserved for rich people. That's not a good thing, so with the expansion of eligibility at the NCAA level, it would be real great to see overall education expansion and the creation of more athletic opportunity at the junior and community college level, but sadly, we're not even a society that values providing affordable access to public education at any level, so I won't hold my breath.

I'm calling it now, we're going to stop seeing the fake prep schools, and start seeing the fake junior colleges of those national Christian conference colleges where some schools only play in that league that some opportunist will use to claim they can get kids NCAA scholarships.
 



This is very much just a "some guy on the internet is saying stuff" but it's plausible. In the comments, it says it's all existing D1 schools, which I think pretty clearly indicates the OVC. The map in there doesn't have UT Arlington in the league (they don't have football), but with them, the UAC is 8 teams. Adding 3 puts them at 11.

My guess on who they add are three of a group of UT Martin, SE Missouri State, Tennessee State or Little Rock. With Little Rock, they don't play football, but I think they help the league by keeping a solid footprint, and a school gives them a solid enough basketball team in a league that will have a handful of solid low-major hoops programs.

If three OVC members depart, that would leave the league with 7 members, some of which (Little Rock/Tennessee State or Morehead State) likely could find suitors elsewhere, ranging from the Summit, Big South, ASUN, or SWAC, depending on the school. Becomes a real challenge to figure out where the remaining 5 would be able to land, or who they could add to maintain a league. Chicago State? Even that wouldn't be enough.
 
Now would be a great time, nationally, to invest in junior colleges, and athletics programs that can serve as a place for HS kids to go, play 1-2 years, and given the ruling on JC guys likely getting 4 years when they enter NCAA competition, it has the potential to allow them to keep playing, getting college credits, then going the NCAA route, and actually putting themselves on pace to possibly graduate on time...that's the main reason we're gonna get 5 years, graduation rates in the portal era are plummeting because guys are not having credits transfer over, or made up their mind they're going in the portal the second semester, so they get incompletes on their transcript. Add in that those who could graduate won't and will go play their final year somewhere else, taking like 2 online classes and only end up with an undergrad degree if they actually put the work toward it, when they ought to at least come away with a basic master's or a few post-grad certificates. This is happening at all levels.

Anyway, in the northeast in an ideal society, we'd have lawmakers recognizing the broader need for affordable public education in higher ed, combined with the fact we're seeing HS aged kids getting shut out at a higher rate from direct participation in NCAA sports, especially at the D1 level, and they'd turn some of these shuttered small private schools into community colleges that have athletics, and could create a competitive environment for these players to compete in, while also offering a core curriculum that would transfer just about anywhere, and maybe even have a few of these CCs provide more of a standard university setting with regard to what a typical underclassman might experience to offer an option for those seeking greater academic rigor.

Outside the general psycosis that has captured parents and their drive to spend six figures or more on getting their kid good enough to play a sport at a scholarship level in college, I gotta think the post-grad and prep year are losing their luster. That, and speaking to the money that is willing to be spent, society is facing a real issue of making sports only reserved for rich people. That's not a good thing, so with the expansion of eligibility at the NCAA level, it would be real great to see overall education expansion and the creation of more athletic opportunity at the junior and community college level, but sadly, we're not even a society that values providing affordable access to public education at any level, so I won't hold my breath.

I'm calling it now, we're going to stop seeing the fake prep schools, and start seeing the fake junior colleges of those national Christian conference colleges where some schools only play in that league that some opportunist will use to claim they can get kids NCAA scholarships.
In Quebec, high school ends in 11th grade. Students then go to "college" for two years, for 12th and 13th grades, with programs ranging from university prep to the trades. Then they have five years of eligibility at the University level, playing and graduating in three, four or five years, depending on course loads and possibly graduate study. Some Canadians play four years in the NCAA and then return home for a fifth year of basketball and a graduate program.
 
Meanwhile, the America East just lost $50 because the bake sale they just hosted had a bunch of leftover brownies and cookies.
True that, I know football is a big task to have but I think as part of a growth plan the AE needs to step the F up and take it on. I think if we want to raise the status of the conference and get a bit more $$ for TV contracts, 12-14 members and football is the way to go.


Similar to our deal they have most of their regular season matches for sports on ESPN+ but unlike us they have.
4 football games on normal ESPN channels
1 regular season men’s basketball on ESPN
3 men’s conference tournament games on ESPN(semi finals and final)
1 women’s championship game on ESPNU.

We have what? The men’s bball championship game on ESPN2. I think that’s the only thing outside of the ESPN+.

Also based off my calculations back in 2024 the AE tv deal was about 53k per school, big sky was around 100k. Pennies I know but gotta grow regardless. I bet this new contract for the big sky is even better than 100k per school.
 
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Football or not….AE absolutely has to grow their membership to 12 or 14. This is a stable league which you would think is somewhat attractive to other schools within our footprint. Our members are not shuttering their athletic programs or dropping down to D2/D3. Many are making large scale commitments to new and renovated facilities. The CAA, NEC and MAAC all continue to have instability and flight risks. If they aren’t getting into the Ivy or Patriot….AE is the next best place to park their athletic programs.
 
Football or not….AE absolutely has to grow their membership to 12 or 14. This is a stable league which you would think is somewhat attractive to other schools within our footprint. Our members are not shuttering their athletic programs or dropping down to D2/D3. Many are making large scale commitments to new and renovated facilities. The CAA, NEC and MAAC all continue to have instability and flight risks. If they aren’t getting into the Ivy or Patriot….AE is the next best place to park their athletic programs.
The AE is stable because it has similar institutions with similar aspirations and economic profiles. Hartford was an outlier and dropped out. I have my doubts about Bryant long term but I hope to be proven wrong. I would add schools only with similar profiles who are likely to pull in the same direction as college sports reinvents itself. Otherwise, I would stand pat.
 
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The AE is stable because it has similar institutions with similar aspirations and economic profiles. Hartford was an outlier and dropped out. I have my doubts about Bryant long term but I hope to be proven wrong. I would add schools only with similar profiles who are likely to pull in the same direction as college sports reinvents itself. Otherwise, I would stand pat.
These are the possibilities....

Merrimack
Northeastern
Stonehill
Central Connecticut
Quinnipiac
Sacred Heart
Fairfield
Stony Brook
Hofstra
Monmouth
Drexel
Towson

Some are more realistic than others.....and some might become more realistic as more moves in other conferences happen.

I think that the ship has sailed on Stony Brook. I'm not sure what their plans are but I feel like they are going to attempt to jump to an FBS conference. The MAC and Conference USA would probably love to dip their feet in the metro NYC market......if the delusion is mutual.....I can see it happening.

Northeastern.....I think that they are shooting for A-10 membership. With UMass leaving for the MAC and their new arena......I can see the A-10 strongly considering them. if they don't get an A-10 invite.....I predict that they will return to AE.

The rest......who knows?

Not sure how much Towson loved or hated being in AE. I would think that their demographics have shifted South and if they have....they are probably a NO.

Drexel & Hofstra......I can see them strongly considering a return although Hofstra might be better suited for the MAAC? I think if Northeastern committed.....Drexel would as well.

Monmouth....they seem like the Jersey version of Bryant. I think that they would be happy to join AE if the CAA starts fading.

Sacred Heart & Q......My gut tells me that Sacred Heart has jumped Q as the desired CT school. Q never seemed that interested in AE....they might end up permanently in the MAAC though.

Central Connecticut.....I don't think that it is hopeless for CCSU fans.....but timing is everything. There are just too many others ahead of them.

Fairfield....these guys might end up in the CAA.....they probably want to be in the A-10......they most likely get stuck in the MAAC with Q.,

Stonehill & Merrimack....Just NO.
 
These are the possibilities....

Merrimack
Northeastern
Stonehill
Central Connecticut
Quinnipiac
Sacred Heart
Fairfield
Stony Brook
Hofstra
Monmouth
Drexel
Towson

Some are more realistic than others.....and some might become more realistic as more moves in other conferences happen.

I think that the ship has sailed on Stony Brook. I'm not sure what their plans are but I feel like they are going to attempt to jump to an FBS conference. The MAC and Conference USA would probably love to dip their feet in the metro NYC market......if the delusion is mutual.....I can see it happening.

Northeastern.....I think that they are shooting for A-10 membership. With UMass leaving for the MAC and their new arena......I can see the A-10 strongly considering them. if they don't get an A-10 invite.....I predict that they will return to AE.

The rest......who knows?

Not sure how much Towson loved or hated being in AE. I would think that their demographics have shifted South and if they have....they are probably a NO.

Drexel & Hofstra......I can see them strongly considering a return although Hofstra might be better suited for the MAAC? I think if Northeastern committed.....Drexel would as well.

Monmouth....they seem like the Jersey version of Bryant. I think that they would be happy to join AE if the CAA starts fading.

Sacred Heart & Q......My gut tells me that Sacred Heart has jumped Q as the desired CT school. Q never seemed that interested in AE....they might end up permanently in the MAAC though.

Central Connecticut.....I don't think that it is hopeless for CCSU fans.....but timing is everything. There are just too many others ahead of them.

Fairfield....these guys might end up in the CAA.....they probably want to be in the A-10......they most likely get stuck in the MAAC with Q.,

Stonehill & Merrimack....Just NO.
Northeastern is not trying to get into the A10, come on. They're trying to get into the Patriot League. Everyone else? Unlikely unless there really is a massive shift in the CAA (which would include NU leaving), and even then, I think that league survives by pulling a few schools in, or people opting for other places over the AE. The unfortunate reality is that Stonehill probably has the best chance of being the 10th member of the league right now.
 
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Northeastern is not trying to get into the A10, come on. They're trying to get into the Patriot League. Everyone else? Unlikely unless there really is a massive shift in the CAA (which would include NU leaving), and even then, I think that league survives by pulling a few schools in, or people opting for other places over the AE. The unfortunate reality is that Stonehill probably has the best chance of being the 10th member of the league right now.
Man you really are the most negative person on here. I know you wear it as a badge of honor but......yeesh.
 
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