I know many of you will jump out and say Marbury, but who has more potential?? Francis is obviuosly more athletic, a better shooter, and can sometimes pass pretty good. He has more potential. Marbury isnt that good of a shooter, and i personaly think shoots way too much. Francis maybe a sg, and thats why he looks bad as a pg. With Rudy's iso system it really made Steve and Cutino look bad, but it wasnt there fault since it was Rudy's fault. Wit a new coach see francis really shine, being better than Marbury...
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Marbury is just as good of a dunker as Francis if he wants to.
He had the best dunk I have ever seen from a PG when he was in New Jersey (except KJs throwdown on Hakeem of course). Some kind of one handed reverse alley oop dunk cutting to the baseline and not even watching the rim. You should be able to get that one on kazaa.
He didn't dunk very often the last 2 seasons because he has played on bad ankles and a harmstring injury. However he did have that Amare to Marbury alley oop when Amare asked him before the game "Captain will you catch it if I throw it up to you" and Marbury said he would go up an get it.
Marbury is a much better defender, scorer, clutch player, leader, passer, playmaker, has more range... you name it. The age difference is ONE DAY. Summary? Francis doesn't have more potential.
Francis shoots a higher percentage from behind the arc. But the 3s that Marbury takes are very often last second shots or if there simply aren't any other options. He hardly ever gets an open spot up shot anyway because he is the guy that draws defense away from his teammates and handles the ball almost all the time. He also still takes some bad shots sometimes because he is pretty streaky and wants it too much. Some games however he is just on fire and nails like 5 3s from like 7 feet behind the arc.
He had the best dunk I have ever seen from a PG when he was in New Jersey (except KJs throwdown on Hakeem of course). Some kind of one handed reverse alley oop dunk cutting to the baseline and not even watching the rim. You should be able to get that one on kazaa.
He didn't dunk very often the last 2 seasons because he has played on bad ankles and a harmstring injury. However he did have that Amare to Marbury alley oop when Amare asked him before the game "Captain will you catch it if I throw it up to you" and Marbury said he would go up an get it.
Marbury is a much better defender, scorer, clutch player, leader, passer, playmaker, has more range... you name it. The age difference is ONE DAY. Summary? Francis doesn't have more potential.
Francis shoots a higher percentage from behind the arc. But the 3s that Marbury takes are very often last second shots or if there simply aren't any other options. He hardly ever gets an open spot up shot anyway because he is the guy that draws defense away from his teammates and handles the ball almost all the time. He also still takes some bad shots sometimes because he is pretty streaky and wants it too much. Some games however he is just on fire and nails like 5 3s from like 7 feet behind the arc.
As of right now I would take Marbury. Francis may have more potential than Marbury, but the question is will he ever bring it all together, he isn't much younger than Marbury if he is even younger, I know Steph is 26 anybody knows Stevie's age? Francis is more athletic and a better rebounder. Marbury is a better passer, defender and is better in the clutch. I feel they are pretty close in shooting, but Marbury can shoot out to 30 feet, and scoring. But the 1 thing that truly seperates them is tunovers, Marbury has one of the best a/to ratios in the NBA, while Francis is under 2/1, and he led the league in total turnovers.
exactly, Also to the people who said good range for marbury, you call 32% behind the arc good range. While Francis at the mid of season was at 43% behind the arc. At the end of the season he droped his shot attmeps waaaaaaaay down. Down to 12 while Marbury took 20+ shots, with only a 1 pt ppg diff. Thats bad effeciency for Marbury. Francis is quicker and can shoot waaaaaaay better. Ill give it to you that Marbury is a better playmaker.
I'd take either one of them if given the chance considering that my beloved Celtics have Tony Delk and JR Bremmer running the point. But if I had my choice, I'd go with Marbury now that he finally seems to get it. This is the guy who got a high schooler to play brilliantly this season and they nearly beat the soon-to-be champion Spurs this year in the playoffs.
Also, who could forget the look on his face when Amare threw it down on Olowokandi?
Also, who could forget the look on his face when Amare threw it down on Olowokandi?
Francis is quicker than Marbury? LOL
Marbury does have range. Range is when you can hit JUMPSHOTS from about 30feet out. I have seen only Ray Allen shooting jumpers from that far out.
Francis is shooting 3% better from behind the arc on considerably less 3 point attempts.
Stephon Marbury still has a better overall FG% than Francis and is taking 3 more shots per game but while also dishing out more assists and comitting less turnovers. Gary Payton is also taking more shots than Francis and a little less than Marbury.
So yes Marbury is a better shooter and yes Marbury has better range.
Who cares what Francis percentages were at midseason?!?
Stephon Marbury averaged 29ppg 8apg 4rpg 50%FG in february.
He also limited Steve Francis to 13ppg and 5apg 34%FG in individual matchups.
Stephon Marbury lead his team in the crunch while Steve Francis CHOKED and missed the playoffs AGAIN.
Francis averages barely more assists than Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant , Tracy McGrady, Troy Hudson, Ricky Davis, Jamal Mashburn, Allen Iverson or Howard Eisley.
Heck he is averaging less assists than ERIC SNOW who is playing with Allen Iverson.
Francis is not quicker than Marbury. Marbury is quicker and faster than Francis, even on bad ankles. Francis is more athletic but not by much. Marbury has great hops too, he just isn't the dunker that Francis is. The only other advantage that Francis has is that he is a better rebounder. Both are equal as shooters although Francis has more range. Both guys are equal defenders as well. However, Marbury is the better ball handler, passer, and playmaker so I give him the edge.
Isn't it kind of difficult to compare 2 players who play under completely different systems. Francis seemed to thrive in a system when he can run and gun. But his numbers seemed to go down drastically down that he has to slow it down for Yao.
Steph seems to thrive when he doesn't have to be the main scorer. In Jersey he had to run the show and pretty much do everything for his team. He seemed to thrive in Minnesota and now as well as Phoenix now that he has players who can put the ball in the hole and where he doesn't feel all of the pressure.
To me, its almost like comparing Kevin Garnett to TMac.
Steph seems to thrive when he doesn't have to be the main scorer. In Jersey he had to run the show and pretty much do everything for his team. He seemed to thrive in Minnesota and now as well as Phoenix now that he has players who can put the ball in the hole and where he doesn't feel all of the pressure.
To me, its almost like comparing Kevin Garnett to TMac.
First off Stevie has not thrived in a run and gun system. It is a damn isolation crap offense no matter what, where he gets to shoot.
How bout we compare the supporting casts.
I think the Rockets have a few more older guys and everyone expected them to contend. In my opinion if Steve Francis was better than Marbury they would not of had those final few games where they were scoring only 60 a game in some bad losses. Francis was the pt guard and don't give me the Rudy T was sick stuff because he was sick when they were winning too and he was out. They played very bad down the stretch and Stevie and Mobley kept freezing out Yao. Which was dumb.
Everyone is right about him being like Iverson though. I think if u move him to shooting guard he will dominate. He could avg. 30 a game at the two. But you would need a PG to come in a play well. Maybe if they had a Vujacic or a Planninic or Jaric from the Clippers they could have the big point guard and Stevie would be their Iverson. I think he could score more than Iverson too because he is a much better shooter.
How bout we compare the supporting casts.
I think the Rockets have a few more older guys and everyone expected them to contend. In my opinion if Steve Francis was better than Marbury they would not of had those final few games where they were scoring only 60 a game in some bad losses. Francis was the pt guard and don't give me the Rudy T was sick stuff because he was sick when they were winning too and he was out. They played very bad down the stretch and Stevie and Mobley kept freezing out Yao. Which was dumb.
Everyone is right about him being like Iverson though. I think if u move him to shooting guard he will dominate. He could avg. 30 a game at the two. But you would need a PG to come in a play well. Maybe if they had a Vujacic or a Planninic or Jaric from the Clippers they could have the big point guard and Stevie would be their Iverson. I think he could score more than Iverson too because he is a much better shooter.
Marbury and Franics those 2 guys arent as good as Iverson interms of playing without the ball.
1) I like your homersim, i mean at least u admit you have so I give a lot of respect to guys that admit they are such a homer!
2) Big Amare, please..... Marbury was always taking those u dont have to shoot 3s when there is plenty of time for the shot clock.
Who is better? I dont want any of those guys on my team, because no matter how hard they try, if they are the first option of the team, no RINGS for sure!
I agree to an extent....Marbury has ALWAYS been about numbers, up until MAYBE this year. Francis has been the same way.
Marbury has much more NBA experience, what, 3-4 years at least?
Though I'd have liked to see the Rockets in the playoffs, they had an OK year. Take Steve off the Rockets and they would've won 15 games this year, maybe 20. Just look at last year.
Almost all of this thread is filled with biased homers. How many non-Suns fans are hyping Steph, and vice versa? At least I admited it
Marbury is better now, there's no questions about it.
However I see Francis possesses more floor-general'ish compare to Marbury. Think Kidd with less passing but more scoring, that's what Francis could become. Marbury can become a Tim Hardaway if he wants to.
It's a close call. The bottom-line is they both need good coaching down the road to realize their potentials.
However I see Francis possesses more floor-general'ish compare to Marbury. Think Kidd with less passing but more scoring, that's what Francis could become. Marbury can become a Tim Hardaway if he wants to.
It's a close call. The bottom-line is they both need good coaching down the road to realize their potentials.
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