Bogut is a Center. Why should anyone care that he doesn't move as a fast guards or forwards? Man, people focusing on Bogut's race as a means for him not being at least a decent player, obviously have no clue what basketball is. When you have actual skills and hand eye coordination, coupled with the requisite size, you can be successful.

I don't like Bogut's big mouth, but man some of you are just so ridiculous that I hope he becomes an all-star ASAP, just so you will shut up.

 

Bogut is a Center. Why should anyone care that he doesn't move as a fast guards or forwards? Man, people focusing on Bogut's race as a means for him not being at least a decent player, obviously have no clue what basketball is. When you have actual skills and hand eye coordination, coupled with the requisite size, you can be successful.

I don't like Bogut's big mouth, but man some of you are just so ridiculous that I hope he becomes an all-star ASAP, just so you will shut up.

He's a centre, he should be able to out-rep many of these guards... which he failed to do. He also showed to be very slow. That said, I think race is a factor and this is more than enough proof that to disregard race as one is ignorant.

Btw, I'm not racist... it's just the proof... it's in the pudding, babe.

 

Andrew Bogut has been exposed after the pre-draft combines.

13 reps at 185 lbs
- Rashad McCants had 15 (6'4, 207)
- Julius Hodge had 15 (6'7, 210)
- Deron Williams had 15 (6'3, 203)
- Luther Head had 14 (6'3, 185)
- Antoine Wright had 12 (6'7, 200)
- Hakim Warrick had 11 (6'9, 219)
- Chris Paul had 10 (6'0, 175)

A vertical of 33"
- Taft, May, Turiaf all had 33"
- Diogu, Frye, Villanueva had 31"

Horrible lane agility time at 12.06
- Villanueva was at 10.86
- May was at 11.04
- Simien was at 11.05
- Taft was at 11.26
- Turiaf was at 11.50
- Frye was at 11.60

Overall ranking of 60th out of the 75 participants.
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Odd and ironic fact, the Caucasian participants... - 10 listed on lists I've found.

David Lee, finished 11th overall (of 75)
Rudy Fernandez, finished 56th overall (of 75)
Andrew Bogut, finished 60th overall (of 75)
Martynas Andriuskevicius, finished 73rd overall (of 75)
Ersan Ilyasova, finished 74th overall (of 75)
Luke Schensher, finished 75th overall (of 75)

Jason Klotz, slowest player at the camp, 2nd worst vertical.
Luke Schensher, last in pre-draft combine, 1 rep at 185 lbs, worst vertical.
Travis Diener, 1 rep at 185 lbs.
Marcin Gortat, top C in event, 18 reps at 185 lbs.
Taylor Coppenrath, 2nd worst vertical.

...

Top 5 slowest players:

Jason Klotz
Andrew Bogut
Ersan Ilyasova
D'or Fischer
Torrin Francis

Worst verticals:

Luke Schensher
Jason Klotz
Taylor Coppenrath
Martynas Andriuskevicius
Wayne Simien

Don't tell me Caucasian basketball players are on par with African-American players when it comes to athleticism and that there's no difference.

Who the hell thinks that?? Everyone knows white people are not on par athletically with black people. It doesn't mean there isn't white guys out there that can kill a black dude athletically.

 

He's 7'0. How many big guys excel at the bench press? He's slow and he's a Center. Now if you could find the data on all the Centers who have come into the NBA and how quick they were, then you'd have something.

You're saying he's slow and comparing him to swingmen and guards. Of course he's slow. He's a legit 5 man. I guess Shaq taints everyone's views. Not every big man was as nimble as Shaq for his size.

So I guess Bogut will suck because he's white huh?

 

LOL...if this exposed Bogut, than Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson and Emeka Okafor must have been exposed last year:

Dwight Howard 7 reps 35.5" 11.21 sec.
Emeka Okafor 22 reps 34" 12.32 sec.
Al Jefferson 3 reps 30" 13.08 sec.
Andrew Bogut 13 reps 33½" 12.06 sec.

Much of a difference? Maybe it's because Bogut is white....

 

Yeah, I don't get the point of this. You bash Bogut because he has the same vertical as some of the respected PFs in the draft? He can touch two feet over the rim! What's so bad about that. He is a center, and I don't know if I care that my center doesn't run the agility drills as fast as my guards.

These results have no effect whatsoever.

I wish they would so he would slip down to #3 for Portland.

I thought this thread was going to be about something interesting like he flashed him self at some bar or something.

 

Bogut is weak. Nothing we didn't know already. He's still a very skilled 7-footer.

 

He's 7'0. How many big guys excel at the bench press? He's slow and he's a Center. Now if you could find the data on all the Centers who have come into the NBA and how quick they were, then you'd have something.

You're saying he's slow and comparing him to swingmen and guards. Of course he's slow. He's a legit 5 man. I guess Shaq taints everyone's views. Not every big man was as nimble as Shaq for his size.

So I guess Bogut will suck because he's white huh?

In terms of speed, where did I compare him to guards?

Original post...

Horrible lane agility time at 12.06
- Villanueva was at 10.86
- May was at 11.04
- Simien was at 11.05
- Taft was at 11.26
- Turiaf was at 11.50
- Frye was at 11.60

... they're all bigmen.

 

In terms of speed, where did I compare him to guards?

Original post...

Horrible lane agility time at 12.06
- Villanueva was at 10.86
- May was at 11.04
- Simien was at 11.05
- Taft was at 11.26
- Turiaf was at 11.50
- Frye was at 11.60

... they're all bigmen.

This is funny, because the only one who has a remote chance of being better than Bogut is Sean May. Besides the rest are PF's. True PF's, while Bogut is your Center.

You show bums like Turiaf and Villanueva and then have the gall to compare them to Bogut. I mean, have you watched them play?

 

LOL...if this exposed Bogut, than Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson and Emeka Okafor must have been exposed last year:

Dwight Howard 7 reps 35.5" 11.21 sec.
Emeka Okafor 22 reps 34" 12.32 sec.
Al Jefferson 3 reps 30" 13.08 sec.
Andrew Bogut 13 reps 33½" 12.06 sec.

Much of a difference? Maybe it's because Bogut is white....

Howard and Jefferson were 18 years old, whereas Bogut is 20.

Okafor out-repped and out-jumped Bogut... by 7 reps and 2 inches.

You can't compare a NCAA sophomore to a HS senior.

 

I mean, have you watched them play?

Good question.....I guess if combine times meant success, Harold Minor would be the best player of all time.

 

This is funny, because the only one who has a remote chance of being better than Bogut is Sean May. Besides the rest are PF's. True PF's, while Bogut is your Center.

You show bums like Turiaf and Villanueva and then have the gall to compare them to Bogut. I mean, have you watched them play?

I wouldn't take any of those guys over Bogut, but to see the obvious difference in athletic ability is interesting. Tell me, what do you think of the obvious trend we see in these results?

 

For the record, big men usually struggle at the bench press because they have long arms that work against them.

And Bougut is still going to be good, so who cares?

 

Who the hell thinks that?? Everyone knows white people are not on par athletically with black people. It doesn't mean there isn't white guys out there that can kill a black dude athletically.

Except in weight lifting. Ironic Bogut is so low.

 

David Lee finished 11th. I guess there should be a ton of draft prospects that should be ashamed at finishing behind him. Especially all of the players that were slower than his 10.80 Lane Agility time.

Stats like these are just a small piece of the pie. Everyone needs to go back and look at the 1995 NFL Draft and the selection of Mike Mamula at #7. Why did he go that high? Because he could do wonders in a workout at the combine.

 

There must be something against bigs on the bench because hodge benched more than most of the bigs there.

 

I really like Marvin Williams. A lot. I think he's the best player in the draft.

However, the absolute idiots championing him here on this board make me want to stab myself in the eye with a pencil. Please, just shut up.

 

In terms of speed, where did I compare him to guards?

Original post...

Horrible lane agility time at 12.06
- Villanueva was at 10.86
- May was at 11.04
- Simien was at 11.05
- Taft was at 11.26
- Turiaf was at 11.50
- Frye was at 11.60

... they're all bigmen.

"...and the idiot of the year award goes to..."

I don't understand your logic...why would you ever want to match up a legit center against some motley crew of tweeners and power forwards ? Bogut has a vertical that is better than, or at least equals a few of them...AND he's taller than all of those guys. What's your point ? He's a low post banger with the size to score consistently down low. Why would you want him trying to take guys off the dribble from just inside the 3 point line ? Lane agility is of no consequence for him.
Also, who ever proclaimed Bogut to be the second coming of Kevin Garnett as an athelete ? It's common knowledge that African American atheletes are naturally better than other races ! You're arguing with a ghost...you should do something a little lower on the idiot scale, like running into a brick wall.

 

Howard and Jefferson were 18 years old, whereas Bogut is 20.

Okafor out-repped and out-jumped Bogut... by 7 reps and 2 inches.

You can't compare a NCAA sophomore to a HS senior.

Check your math. Last time I checked, 22-13=8 and 34-33.5=0.5

 

I wouldn't take any of those guys over Bogut, but to see the obvious difference in athletic ability is interesting. Tell me, what do you think of the obvious trend we see in these results?

Man, I didn't see much difference in terms of athletic ability on the basketball court. Them test don't mean squat to me. Bogut is a better prospect than all of those guys, regardless of marginal athletic differences.

He's being exposed as an avg. athlete? Who didn't know he was an avg. athlete?

I'm not going to go through this again, but you judge basketball players individually. I don't like when people stereotype me, so I don't know why you're doing that to Bogut. Unlike many of the "American" white stiffs that were big men, Bogut actually can play the game of basketball. He actually has talent and skills. Please stop lumping him in with the Jason Collier, Brad Lohaus, Travis Knight's of the world.

 

David Lee finished 11th. I guess there should be a ton of draft prospects that should be ashamed at finishing behind him. Especially all of the players that were slower than his 10.80 Lane Agility time.

Stats like these are just a small piece of the pie. Everyone needs to go back and look at the 1995 NFL Draft and the selection of Mike Mamula at #7. Why did he go that high? Because he could do wonders in a workout at the combine.

You're getting me all wrong...

I'm not saying he'll be bad because he's Caucasian, but that anyone who says Caucasians ballers are on par with African-American ballers in the athletic department clearly is out to lunch.

 

You're getting me all wrong...

I'm not saying he'll be bad because he's Caucasian, but that anyone who says Caucasians ballers are on par with African-American ballers in the athletic department clearly is out to lunch.

I take it, you mean White basketball players all around the world huh? So how what do you think of Andre Kirilenko? Or Chris Andersen? Or Mike Miller? Or Vladimir Radmanovic?

These guys are all just as athletic as the majority of black athletes in the NBA. In the cases of Radman (6'10), Miller (6'8) and AK (6'9), they are top notch athletes, for their size.

 

I'm not saying he'll be bad because he's Caucasian, but that anyone who says Caucasians ballers are on par with African-American ballers in the athletic department clearly is out to lunch.

So somehow Bogut getting "exposed" proves your point? LOL.

 

You're getting me all wrong...

I'm not saying he'll be bad because he's Caucasian, but that anyone who says Caucasians ballers are on par with African-American ballers in the athletic department clearly is out to lunch.

This is life, there are no absolutes. Each individual is a case by case basis. Lee is a better athlete than most of the players in the draft. The next time I judge a professional basketball player on their athleticism will be the first.

 

This is one of the worst threads I've ever seen.